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@Steve Angus, +1
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Great pictures Steve. Love the top one of the moguls leading up to the deep blue sky under the chair. Makes me want to ski those bumps
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Is this just a really busy half term? Like a lot of families missed the last 2 years and have all decided to make up for it? I recall skiing at Tignes in 2019 half term and it was busy, but not in an extreme way. Once you got away from the main points it was really quite quiet.
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@FrediKanoute, IMHO, it's busier than pre-covid years because this is the first full season post-covid. As ever thought it's down to timing. Bless the Frencies cotton socks, you can still rely on them to lunch at 12 on the dot until 2. Have a late bite 2-2.30 to allow the afternoon classes to disperse then enjoy the last hour & half until the obligatory in La Rosee Blanche.
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@FrediKanoute, We missed the last 2 years skiing so were happy to pay almost any price to get here. And pay we have…. That said I’ve not experienced queue rage and have had some nice chats in broken French on lifts. Most people seem fairly chilled at the moment. I don’t recall so many Scandinavians in the past though so maybe the Swedes and Danes have topped up the tourist tank?
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FrediKanoute / Dr John / AndrewBailey - yes there are some quieter corner parts of the resort that's for sure! Just got to get to them / find them! I dont think its all the more busy than pre-covid not really no. But you have to remember that depending on which week OTHER parts of French are holidaying makes a difference... so with the local schools off at the moment and some Parisians its busy at present! But DEFINITELY you have to work the mountain in your favour time wise. Take a late morning hot choc stop / snack, ski through the 2 hours of lunch when its dead quiet and also make the most of the first 30 mins of the day and last 30 mins of the day and you'll get plenty of skiing in. The scandinavians point.... there are lots of scandi students in town - just bad timing for them / us I guess!
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@Steve Angus, great blog yesterday and really enjoying your updates.
Says a lot about you when a family keep returning each half term for 17 years. Must be the most challenging week of the season to get the best out of the area. I’d be proud of that!
Start pacing yourself and it won’t be too long before you’re teaching their grandkids and that’ll be another circle completed
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@PeakyB,
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Says a lot about you when a family keep returning each half term for 17 years. Must be the most challenging week of the season to get the best out of the area. I’d be proud of that!
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I was thinking that too.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Steve Angus, best of luck to Olivia-Tell her we’re cheering her from Yorkshire!
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You know it makes sense.
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Can concur about the roads… departed Tignes 0700 sharp trying to beat the traffic… 3 hours later just passing Moutiers! Add on an accident on the highway to Albertville and 5h20 to do a 2h50 normal run, ouch.
Traffic on the way up the mountain was also horrendous all the way back to Chambéry by 11am- some long drives for sure today!
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Poster: A snowHead
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lynnecha - thanks so very much... I told her. She was happy to know she has an international fan club already!
raino - oh dear - really sorry to hear that.... hope it panned out OK in the end!
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Well done, Olivia!
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Fab, loved the Instagram vidoes
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FAR too late! The snow looks terrific up there in your photos, Steve. A major contrast to some of the other snow reports around the forum.
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pam w wrote: |
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FAR too late! . |
We know this now for Feb! 7am worked at New Year, may have to aim for 6:15 next time! The Tignes app showed traffic building only from 7am, it didn’t say quite where… we started to get in standstill traffic 7:45am, 10km short of Aime on the way down yesterday.
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raino wrote: |
pam w wrote: |
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We know this now for Feb! 7am worked at New Year, may have to aim for 6:15 next time! The Tignes app showed traffic building only from 7am, it didn’t say quite where… we started to get in standstill traffic 7:45am, 10km short of Aime on the way down yesterday. |
Sounds about average for peak half-term. If it had been snowing it'd been a different story.
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Re bug - my son was sick Tues - his friend Thurs - My daughter Sat night. And by sick I mean vomiting.
As for next year - am interested in a couple of days lessons - or half days if I can’t get for - for kids who come with me. Will PM for recommendations
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"Enjoyed" my second worst ever transfer from Geneva to Tignes yesterday. 8 hours it took, thanks to the traffic and mechanical problems with the bus.
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can't beat my 14 hour and 12 hour sojourns...................18 and 16
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Hurtle - thanks... yes proud! Official results are that she was 3rd fastest girl in the valley for her age.
Frosty the Snowman - ah thanks for tuning in to see.
pam w - yea the snow is pretty decent I have to say. Plenty to go round.
raino - you just have to always remember that Tignes / Val are the 'end of the valley' so not just about being ahead of the Val / Tignes traffic but also need to be ahead of all the other resorts too! I would say 0530 is a decent departure time during half term! The 10km short is the queue for the tunnel just as all the Les Arcs and La Plagne traffic joins!
Kenzie - gosh yes the snow is a whole other level of disaster!
AndrewBailey - oh dear doesnt sound pleasant!
Jehu - nightmare it really is.
Maersk - might as well just stay at home really when its that long!
Talking about all these transfer issues... Radio Val today were talking about the issue - basically once again pleading that TO's etc change to Sunday - Sunday if they can and 'why wouldnt they' type attitude... tend to agree.
Back to it
With Clare starting at 0930 and my booking starting then too it was a chilled start to the day. Even had time to have my Sunday treat of eggs on toast! Being the last full day of having Clares mum here she was to have a chilled last day with them and of course they are back to school tomorrow.
The sun was shining brightly but it was a little chilly first thing. I set off to the meet point - first time ive been there for a while it seemed. Anyway the new team arrived... its a few sessions over the next few mornings. A grown up family and some adult friends of 5 from Portugal. Luckily their English was OK but not perfect. So we worked out where they were at level wise and decided to head up Solaise. After working on Madelaine for a lap or two and building those foundations we headed to Glacier Express and then at the end a couple on Datcha. Some positive changes were made and it was a pleasant session.
At lunchtime I headed home and watched the 2nd run of the Mens Slalom from the WSC... another great watch that was... pity not only the home boy could not do the deed nor Dave Ryding but still a good watch!
The kids had had a nice walk and outside time in the morning and they had come back with some cake and nice bits for afternoon tea. Yum. We decided to put a movie on and then later I headed to Blue Note for a drink with an old school friend of mine who was in town from New York for the week... a really nice catch up for an hour or so.
Tomorrow being Monday its the start of another week - eek. I have the same lot in the morning as today and then a one off pm booking. However with Clares mum leaving tomorrow and the kids back at school we are going to have to get back into a new rhythm once again!
I was once again amazed by the first day heroes out there charing around like headless chickens... trying to establish within their little groups who has the most testosterone. Almost a competition to see how many of them can break themselves on the first day. Talking of which and having done this job for 20 years now there are some very distinct patterns you see developing at not only locations of injuries but types of injuries in certain conditions (e.g. twists often after fresh snow). Then also timings of injuries too / types of runs etc. I guess what im saying is that half the injuries out there you can see them coming a mile off.... e.g. collisions at 90 degrees at that flat area below the Folie on the way to Tommeuse etc. Another is going down the Marais piste under the Datcha... people straight lining down there when there are often slower skiers zig zagging down etc.
Interestingly a lot of slope users are not aware of their responsibilities and the requirements on them. But things like the PisteX code (look it up) are a timely reminder of what we need to be doing out there to keep us all safe... I often hear things like 'but he / she crossed in front of me so I had no choice but to crash into them' - well persons have no excuse, you need to anticipate whats possibly going to happen ahead of you.
Anyway folks stay safe out there.
TTFN
Pity that old drag lift is no longer still there for these folks walking back towards the magic carpets
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@Steve Angus, Well done Olivia and great that she got another mention on Radio Val.
Mountain Rooms have moved change over day to a Sunday this season and VIP, YSE, Neilson,HipHideouts, Le Ski are already a Sunday. It’s really the French companies that are resisting change.
Our daughters passport and long stay visa arrived back on Thursday from the embassy and she was desperate to return to Val d’Isere asap.
Luckily talked her out of a Saturday flight and transfer and booked Sunday instead. She was in a Snowdrone shared minivan and was exactly 3hrs from Geneva (then 30mins until she was in the bar )
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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If STVI offered cheaper 6 day lift passes for any NOT starting on a Sunday (ie for those transferring on a Saturday) it might go some way to persuading people to change habits.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Steve Angus, Well done Olivia and great that she got another mention on Radio Val.
Mountain Rooms have moved change over day to a Sunday this season and VIP, YSE, Neilson,HipHideouts, Le Ski are already a Sunday. It’s really the French companies that are resisting change.
Our daughters passport and long stay visa arrived back on Thursday from the embassy and she was desperate to return to Val d’Isere asap.
Luckily talked her out of a Saturday flight and transfer and booked Sunday instead. She was in a Snowdrone shared minivan and was exactly 3hrs from Geneva (then 30mins until she was in the bar ) |
Thanks.
Yea it is the French that insist on the Saturday.... also bear in mind that the diversity of TO's in Val skewed towards the British market like the names you mention are high... whereas in plenty of the other resorts in the Tarantaise there is not that diversity... so whatever Val do might not have a HUGE impact overall on the traffic situation... needs all the resorts to co-ordinate a plan really. But you're right so many have finally realised that changing to a Sunday - Sunday is sensible!
Well done on persuading Miss Mini Muppet on that.
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Kenzie wrote: |
If STVI offered cheaper 6 day lift passes for any NOT starting on a Sunday (ie for those transferring on a Saturday) it might go some way to persuading people to change habits. |
Nice idea - not sure how it would work if someone came just for the weekend etc. Could be complicated! The price structure was partly changing this year to a standard daily price system so that people could pick and chose more easily days anyway.
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Last year we did an on the spur of the moment late season trip back out to Tignes to coincident with a fresh dump of powder. We did Thurs to Thurs and it was a revelation. Empty roads all the way!
A couple of weeks a go when returning to the UK, early flights meant that we had to leave our chalet at 4am(!!!!) on a Sat morning - even then I was shocked at just how busy the roads were. I was expecting it to be empty but there was a considerable amount of traffic.
We'll be doing mid-week from now on when possible.
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@Steve Angus,
Interesting on what you say re weeks, but I'd have expanded that to hours on the mountain - how many people claim to have done a full day on the mountain when getting to the lifts 9.30/10am, a coffee break, lunch and hitting apres 3.30/4pm?
As a ski bum I reckoned to be getting 800 - 850 hours mountain time per season in Tignes (the season I worked in Meribel probably 300 hours).
Oh, and if one of the 100 randoms asked ability I'd give my standard answer - 'Fair to middling'.
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@Steve Angus,
Interesting on what you say re weeks, but I'd have expanded that to hours on the mountain - how many people claim to have done a full day on the mountain when getting to the lifts 9.30/10am, a coffee break, lunch and hitting apres 3.30/4pm?
As a ski bum I reckoned to be getting 800 - 850 hours mountain time per season in Tignes (the season I worked in Meribel probably 300 hours).
Oh, and if one of the 100 randoms asked ability I'd give my standard answer - 'Fair to middling'. |
Yes I did think that but didnt really want to get too technical about it. It is a classic one.... you hear people say 'ive done a season' etc... and when you break it down to the hangovers / duvet days / work days etc etc etc lost then a season ends up being a 'few weeks'. Here in Val I can't tell you the number of times ive skied with seasonnaires who have never been to the fornet glacier (assuming they are capable of course!) !!!!! The same on holiday makers sometimes.
I do 500-550 teaching hours a season typically... equivalent of about 25 seasons under my belt in this job (I think and including my early days part time on dry slopes in the UK) so thats 13000 or so hours teaching this sport.... I suppose all those hours doing drills (hopefully) re-enforces OK technique! And thats as a job... beforehand and as a kid not sure how many hours / weeks etc beforehand!
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@Steve Angus, seriously, though, your reflections on skiers (and boarders?) self perception of their ability are interesting.
Probably worth a thread on its own which I feel a lot of snowHeads would contribute to.
Sticking on here for now and using some Former Espace Killy pistes as examples, I’ll throw tuppence worth in.
I’ve never considered my skiing technique to be what I’d describe as technically good. This showed up most obviously, I think, when choosing, or accidentally encountering, large moguls. On runs of typical red grade steepness I’d be satisfied to get six or seven turns on my planned descent before having to improvise and readjust. On black mogul runs, happy to survive.
As I got more experienced I gradually accepted a few criterion for being satisfied with doing any particular run. For example:
Did I avoid putting anyone else on that bit of the mountain at risk?
Did I make good decisions about my planned route down that piste, taking conditions, crowdedness, etc into account?
Did my actual descent turn out like it was planned? Were any variations to plan justified, or the result of poor skiing by me?
Did I get into a good rhythm and flow, adjusting to take account of unforeseeable variations?
Did I get bonus point(s) for particular agility and skill at avoiding collisions, when someone else does something really stupid during the descent, eg set off across the piste without looking up the mountain first?
Did it push me to exert myself, focus well and feel a connection between brain signals and body movements?
When I’d finished, did it feel good? Did I enjoy it?
In this area I think I’ve regularly hit my sweet spot on runs like Arcelle, Double M, Sache, OK, that one down to Laisinant, Col de Vers, the one from top of Grande Motte then right turn down cul de sac ‘black’ and the one from Aiguille Percee back towards Val Claret. Sometimes, when timing is right, Face de Bellevarde.
The pistes I very rarely hit my sweet spot on include Santons, Orange, the one from Aiguille Percee down to Les Brev, the descent to Val D from Solaise, Epaule de Charvet and the steep black from mid station to base at La Fornet. Also a badly time Face de Bellevarde has been a nightmare occasionally.
I wonder what this says about my skiing? Unambitious? Complacent? Content?
I imagine your criterion defining ‘success’ or ‘improvement’ (as an instructor) would be very different to mine.
Wow! Did I eat a dictionary for breakfast?
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@Steve Angus, Interesting post about peoples abilities - theres certainly a lot of hubris about when people "self assess" their ability !
Personally, I dont think anyone could class themselves as "expert" unless they are skiing daily as part of their job (i.e. instructors, guides, pisteurs etc).
I have been skiing since I was 13, and would still class myself as a "decent intermediate". I am 55 now and quite happy with where I am - I get an occasional lesson as a topup.
During the winter, depending on number of skiing days (either Alps or in Scotland) I absolutely improve my skills, but "advanced"? I'm not sure I would go that far.
I think some people are seduced by what they are told in lessons and there is also the apres bragging from the "slope baggers" who love to reel them off as a badge of honour - Sache in Tignes for example.
Most people would do better to under rate their skills and allow instructors to make their own mind up and formulate a plan - I guess you can usually do that within about 15 minutes anyway?
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PeakyB wrote: |
@Steve Angus, seriously, though, your reflections on skiers (and boarders?) self perception of their ability are interesting.
Probably worth a thread on its own which I feel a lot of snowHeads would contribute to.
Sticking on here for now and using some Former Espace Killy pistes as examples, I’ll throw tuppence worth in.
I’ve never considered my skiing technique to be what I’d describe as technically good. This showed up most obviously, I think, when choosing, or accidentally encountering, large moguls. On runs of typical red grade steepness I’d be satisfied to get six or seven turns on my planned descent before having to improvise and readjust. On black mogul runs, happy to survive.
As I got more experienced I gradually accepted a few criterion for being satisfied with doing any particular run. For example:
Did I avoid putting anyone else on that bit of the mountain at risk?
Did I make good decisions about my planned route down that piste, taking conditions, crowdedness, etc into account?
Did my actual descent turn out like it was planned? Were any variations to plan justified, or the result of poor skiing by me?
Did I get into a good rhythm and flow, adjusting to take account of unforeseeable variations?
Did I get bonus point(s) for particular agility and skill at avoiding collisions, when someone else does something really stupid during the descent, eg set off across the piste without looking up the mountain first?
Did it push me to exert myself, focus well and feel a connection between brain signals and body movements?
When I’d finished, did it feel good? Did I enjoy it?
In this area I think I’ve regularly hit my sweet spot on runs like Arcelle, Double M, Sache, OK, that one down to Laisinant, Col de Vers, the one from top of Grande Motte then right turn down cul de sac ‘black’ and the one from Aiguille Percee back towards Val Claret. Sometimes, when timing is right, Face de Bellevarde.
The pistes I very rarely hit my sweet spot on include Santons, Orange, the one from Aiguille Percee down to Les Brev, the descent to Val D from Solaise, Epaule de Charvet and the steep black from mid station to base at La Fornet. Also a badly time Face de Bellevarde has been a nightmare occasionally.
I wonder what this says about my skiing? Unambitious? Complacent? Content?
I imagine your criterion defining ‘success’ or ‘improvement’ (as an instructor) would be very different to mine.
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Will reply later this eve. On the Train Rouge to meet point at mo. Anyway I think you’ve hit the nail on the head… all to do with ‘the learning cycle’ from unconscious incompetence through to conscious competence…. The face you think like this is a good sign you understand your abilities and limitations based on technique and experience etc. eg a WC ski racer often a knows even b4 looking at the clock at the finish line if they’ve won it by 0.1 or lost it by 0.1…. It’s about being tuned in. To have the presence of mind to reflect like that probably puts you in the advanced / expert category of skier - and that’s without seeing you ski. Anyway will reflect more later I’m sure. Thanks for your words there. Brilliant stuff
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@Steve Angus, Interesting post about peoples abilities - theres certainly a lot of hubris about when people "self assess" their ability !
Personally, I dont think anyone could class themselves as "expert" unless they are skiing daily as part of their job (i.e. instructors, guides, pisteurs etc).
I have been skiing since I was 13, and would still class myself as a "decent intermediate". I am 55 now and quite happy with where I am - I get an occasional lesson as a topup.
During the winter, depending on number of skiing days (either Alps or in Scotland) I absolutely improve my skills, but "advanced"? I'm not sure I would go that far.
I think some people are seduced by what they are told in lessons and there is also the apres bragging from the "slope baggers" who love to reel them off as a badge of honour - Sache in Tignes for example.
Most people would do better to under rate their skills and allow instructors to make their own mind up and formulate a plan - I guess you can usually do that within about 15 minutes anyway? |
And again Amen to that.
As I always say:
“Expert skiers know they are really only beginners”. When I watch skiing on tv I can roughly appreciate what they’re trying to do… could I get anywhere near them…. No way!
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PeakyB wrote: |
[b]In this area I think I’ve regularly hit my sweet spot on runs like Arcelle, Double M, Sache, OK, that one down to Laisinant, Col de Vers, the one from top of Grande Motte then right turn down cul de sac ‘black’ and the one from Aiguille Percee back towards Val Claret. Sometimes, when timing is right, Face de Bellevarde.
The pistes I very rarely hit my sweet spot on include Santons, Orange, the one from Aiguille Percee down to Les Brev, the descent to Val D from Solaise, Epaule de Charvet and the steep black from mid station to base at La Fornet. Also a badly time Face de Bellevarde has been a nightmare occasionally. |
Will this help you fill in the missing 'the one' s? https://en.tignes.net/skiing/ski-area/ski-map
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