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@nevis1003, what line of work would that be?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Alastair Pink,
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your statement about the Met being involved being crap may well be in error
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It quite certainly is. NB this is not a "friend of a friend" story. Happened to a close friend who absolutely would not make this "crap" up. An admittedly unfortunate chain of events led to it all becoming rather more serioius than anyone would want, includiing trial in Swiss (poss cantonal, maybe federal) criminial court and being convicted in absentia. |
So that sounds like an extradition warrant for being convicted in Switzerland rather than for the offence of just speeding in Switzerland.
I used to live in Belgium and their parking fine and speeding fine system was so joined up that if you did not pay but were leaving the country by air or Eurostar then you would be stopped at departure and made to pay the fine there and then before leaving.
I wonder is the Swiss authorities can obtain the driver details from the hire car company to do the same?
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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No foreign nationals or government agencies can have access to DVLA. It is also the case that foreign fines are not enforceable here since Brexit. Well done Boris
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Switzerland was not and is not in the EU so the B word has affected the enforcement of fines between UK and CH not at all. Like you I'd be surprised if the Met had actually sent officers to deliver a fine but I'm not doubting the truth of the story. I suspect some of it has been lost in the retelling of the story. There are reciprocal agreements for the service of foreign legal documents (I'm not talking about extradition here which is a completely different issue). It is possible the Met had been delegated to effect service of the swiss Summons (which would have had a Court date and could have offered the alternative of a fixed fine) in accordance with the convention. It is also possible that it wasn't the Met but some private organisation seeking to collect the debt (if the fine had already been issued in absentia) on behalf of CH. The Met would absolutely not "enforce" or prosecute anything (they have no jurisdiction to do so) so that may be where the distinction is.
Although it adds very little to the debate, I will add my personal experience of driving around Europe on a road trip about 10 years ago in a UK registered car. We were flashed by several fixed speed cameras in France and 1 in Italy. I spent a few months worrying about it but never got any ticket. That may have been prior to the reciprocal enforcement arrangements though. On the other hand I got one from a french hire car in France and the hire company just paid it with my credit card deposit and sent me an additional invoice for their trouble.
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@Hurdy, I think that's +/- it. Convicted in absentia (and only in court as the car hir ecompany had been so slow in communicating, early payment of fines and various costs would have been managed in the usual fashion) and I seem to recall that although on motorway it wasn't just speeding but involved something like roadworks or a particularly sensitive canton or something.
And the options were swift payment of hefty fine or escort to heathrow and thusly Zürich for a brief involuntary sejour in rather basic Swiss accommodation.
Swiss authorities (and I think any other govt can demand driver's identity from car hire companies).
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Speed limits on the motorway from Bardonnex into Geneva airport change quite a bit depending on traffic - one to watch.
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Back in the day, I picked up three speeding fines in one journey from Zurich to Engleberg. Ignored them all and fitted in with me moving house, so the address my driving licence was linked to changed. I was slightly worried on my next trip into CH in case they cuffed me, but (15 years later) appear to have got away with it...
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I think I got flashed on my current trip so I may have a real time update. It was one of those 120 down to 100 situations where you just let the car brake, rather than actively brake, to enter the zone at exactly 100.
My sis who spends a lot of time in CH regards it as a stealth tax.
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@Nickski, I lived in Ch for 10 recent years, it is not even a "stealth" tax, no stealth about it. Canton Vaud apparently rectified a hole in its public finances by installing all those cameras on the Geneva-Lausanne road.
@pam w, I think… it's not so tricky, it's either 80 or 100 and you find out at the first sign. I don't recall them varying it along the trajectory. YMMV.
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We were staying at Lake Como in Italy in the summer a few years ago. We nipped over the border to Switzerland in our hire car. When I got home I kept getting letters in Italian which I translated with Google. First one asked me to acknowledge I was driving. Second one told me I owed them about £750 ((I think, it was a few years ago), paid the fine then got another letter telling me I was banned and had a suspended sentence. To be honest if I was ever to go to prison I think the Swiss prisons are about the best. Bit annoying though as I now have to hire cars in Italy so can’t get winter tyres.
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UANN that's interesting ... like you I have seen the growth of the cameras Geneva-Lausanne in the twenty years I have been doing that journey regularly. My irritation about speed cameras is a sort of deep moral one. There are drivers who are just crap, and drive badly habitually, and are a risk to themselves and others, and flout regulations all the time (parking on Z lines at crossings, etc). Over a long time they probably have more accidents and do incur more incentives to drive better through increased insurance premiums etc. But mostly they just go on being crap. Then there are fundamentally good drivers who - like all human beings involved in complex activities - just make random mistakes. I genuinely annoyed a huge of drivers in the Jura in summer 2020 by driving at the 80kph limit up from Jougne, only to let my attention slip for just a few hundred metres on a downhill going north from Pontalier and got flashed by the speed camera there. That was really sodding annoying. They should have a 'competence sensitive filter' on the lens. If it's clear that you are a git then the camera registers you. Being serious, Big State could actually give you a score, based on the totality of your driving record, which could moderate or increase fines commensurately. But do we really want that? And then....we all know that revenue-raising is a big rationale....
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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No foreign nationals or government agencies can have access to DVLA. It is also the case that foreign fines are not enforceable here since Brexit. Well done Boris
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Switzerland was not and is not in the EU so the B word has affected the enforcement of fines between UK and CH not at all. Like you I'd be surprised if the Met had actually sent officers to deliver a fine but I'm not doubting the truth of the story. I suspect some of it has been lost in the retelling of the story. There are reciprocal agreements for the service of foreign legal documents (I'm not talking about extradition here which is a completely different issue). It is possible the Met had been delegated to effect service of the swiss Summons (which would have had a Court date and could have offered the alternative of a fixed fine) in accordance with the convention. It is also possible that it wasn't the Met but some private organisation seeking to collect the debt (if the fine had already been issued in absentia) on behalf of CH. The Met would absolutely not "enforce" or prosecute anything (they have no jurisdiction to do so) so that may be where the distinction is.
Although it adds very little to the debate, I will add my personal experience of driving around Europe on a road trip about 10 yeeeding ars ago in a UK registered car. We were flashed by several fixed speed cameras in France and 1 in Italy. I spent a few months worrying about it but never got any ticket. That may have been prior to the reciprocal enforcement arrangements though. On the other hand I got one from a french hire car in France and the hire company just paid it with my credit card deposit and sent me an additional invoice for their trouble. |
There are no reciprocal agreements for any UK police force to deliver foreign court summons or any other foreign legal documents for foreign speeding offences or any other summary offences, it's absolute crap.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Ozboy, there may be some glimmer of hope, I got flashed in a 40kmh zone (or more accurately leaving a 40kmh zone that was then a straight country road at 80kmh limit, with a camera positioned at the sign), genuinely don’t know my exact speed but reckoned somewhere between 10-20kmh over the limit. Nothing came through in the post, and driven in Switzerland twice since then. That was a year ago.
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