 Poster: A snowHead
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I for one have found the recent posts most interesting, as indeed I have many of the preceding posts - I just get bored when things get personal, and I don’t agree with the modern trend of “cancelling” people.
@Hurtle, I don’t really understand why you don’t simply ignore this thread if it bothers you.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@motyl, it got personal because the OP is a troll and most people prefer not to see trolls on the forum. There is no reason why the riveting discussion on the laws of physics could not be extracted and accorded its own thread.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I know we are in agreement in recognising the obvious and active trolling on the forum but in this case I don’t agree with your labelling. As always, individuals see things in different ways and I can understand that we might take different positions in this instance. To be clear, her full frontal and unwarranted assault on some of our mutual friends lost her a lot of my sympathy but imv that was not trolling.
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You need to Login to know who's really who.
You need to Login to know who's really who.
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@Alastair Pink,
Perhaps you could recommend a good book on the subject 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| I know we are in agreement in recognising the obvious and active trolling on the forum but in this case I don’t agree with your labelling. As always, individuals see things in different ways and I can understand that we might take different positions in this instance. To be clear, her full frontal and unwarranted assault on some of our mutual friends lost her a lot of my sympathy but imv that was not trolling. |
I'm not that bothered what it's called, it was thoroughly unpleasant regardless, probably for the OP as well.
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You'll need to Register first of course.
You'll need to Register first of course.
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@Hurtle, on that, we agree.
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To be clear, her full frontal and unwarranted assault on some of our mutual friends lost her a lot of my sympathy but imv that was not trolling.
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I agree. The point of a troll is that they exist solely to stir up trouble. They take a voyeuristic pleasure in setting one person against another, but they have no emotional investment in the process. They don't get "upset" and lash out defensively when challenged and criticised.
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Well if we're going to get pedantic
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....Your whole body (and skis etc) is describing an arc around a theoretical pivot point with a given turn radius. That radius will be, if you’re not skidding, the carve radius of the skis so likely somewhere in the 16m-24m range assuming all mountain type skis... |
Only if you apply so little edge angle so as to not flex the ski 
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You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net.
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@Origen, does it really matter what it's called?
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@Hurtle, in one sense no: as long as we know what we're talking about it doesn't really matter what we call it.
In another sense, there's a distinction that's I think worth making, between, on the one hand, the kind of troll who likes to stir up conflict for their own amusement, and whose only investment in what's going on is the degree to which they can rile those who seek to participate in discussion in good faith; and, on the other hand, the thin-skinned participant in discussion who is unwilling to accept criticism or even disagreement, and who gets worked up in the process.
I don't think it matters whether these are considered two different kinds of troll, or two things (the first a troll, the second something else) of different kinds. Neither is able to participate in discussion in good faith, or constructively. It's telling, for example, that this particular specimen has ignored responses that engage constructively and make helpful suggestions (I link to my own only because it's the one that's clearest in my memory, and that served to me as an early indicator of some of the things that might be going on, but I'm sure there are others), while getting enraged at mild (and then increasingly less mild) criticism--before asserting a kind of research expertise (an MSc! Wow!) and intellectual superiority that didn't bother to consider that there might be experts, other librarians, academics, researchers etc. around here.
Personally I think it's worth drawing a distinction between the kind of disingenuous troll who seeks to enrage others for their own amusement, and the kind of thin-skinned self-appointed expert who cannot bear even the gentlest, most constructive criticism or disagreement (and who gets enraged when criticized). While the former tends to appear emotionally disengaged, the latter seems to be all too emotionally invested in what's happening, and their hyper-earnestness means that calling them a 'troll' can be perceived as a huge slight (the former, in contrast, frequently wears the label with pride). Both are fairly toxic; neither merits engaging with; both can provide a certain kind of entertainment, of sorts (the latter more akin to the aftermath of a terrible road collision).
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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Well put, @JayRo. Your word "disingenuous" is just right for what I think of as a troll. Engaging with a troll is pointless - just playing their game, but non-damaging if you don't mind wasting your time. Engaging with someone like the OP here, as we decided a while back, can be cruel, like a cat playing with a mouse.
But of course, none of us should engage in threads which upset us, regardless of terminology. It's supposed to be positive/informative/fun or even all three!
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@JayRo,
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Personally I think it's worth drawing a distinction between the kind of disingenuous troll who seeks to enrage others for their own amusement, and the kind of thin-skinned self-appointed expert who cannot bear even the gentlest, most constructive criticism or disagreement (and who gets enraged when criticized). While the former tends to appear emotionally disengaged, the latter seems to be all too emotionally invested in what's happening, and their hyper-earnestness means that calling them a 'troll' can be perceived as a huge slight (the former, in contrast, frequently wears the label with pride). Both are fairly toxic; neither merits engaging with;
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I absolutely agree with the distinction you've described. The reason I felt no particular need to draw that distinction was that, as you say,
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neither merits engaging with;
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I also referred to the upset probably caused for the OP in my reply to motyl; all the more reason to desist in engaging.
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You know it makes sense.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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