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veeeight,
I could do with losing some of those double pole plants...  I first started doing them when I saw Jeff Stump doing moguls but I think it has promoted a bad habit or two...
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*In General* - people that use double pole plants in the bumps to re-center (sp) do a much better job at getting down because they don't stay in the back seat.
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veeeight,
Its getting put there in the first place that I don't like, I think it has gotten more frequent than I can explain away ...
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This double pole plant - what is it? At what point to you make the second plant?
I'm confused 
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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veeeight, where do you plant the "other" pole. Can't see how you could plant it in bumps without it getting in the way of pre-rotation?
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| zammo wrote: |
This double pole plant - what is it? At what point to you make the second plant?
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A double pole plant is when you plant both poles simultaneously at the normal point (end of turn/start of next turn depending on how you think of it) - not planting the same pole twice!
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a-ha - that makes more sense, I suppose. I can see that it might help with upper body alignment in the bumps, kind of forcing the issue re: facing downhill but I just can't imagine doing it - it would feel SOOOOO wrong!
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zammo, I've only used it in slalom race training, and occasionally as an exercise. I can see nothing but grief trying to do it in bumps! 
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Double pole plants are wrong.
Double pole plants when telemarking can help your keep your balance centered, do you see good telemarkers doing it? No.
Doing double pole plants when skiing moguls is WRONG. So wrong it hurts. Next you'll be advocating monoboarding...
Surely nobody below the age of 50, or perhaps 35 if French, would EVER use double pole plants...
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There a nice video clip of Anya Paerson in the slalom at Maribor using double pole plants on some of her turns.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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THere's a great sequence of some odd Hawaiian "skiers" doing fast repeated pole plants on both sides sequentially at the start of Hawaii-Five-O...
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You know it makes sense.
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Quoted from another forum:
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| When I did my CSIA level 3 course a couple of seasons ago the coach had me doing double pole plants on the crest of the bumps (this was on steep/large moguls) ... the problem I had was that I was flexing a fraction too early so by the time I actually should have flexed I had no room to absorb & no time to extend again on the other side ... so maintaining control in the fall-line on steeper bumps without introducing a skid was rather demanding. This exercise forced me to wait that all important fraction of a second & got me to re-centre ... it worked wonders for me and now I use it a lot in my own training and also with more advanced clients. The one key for me was to make sure that you swing the pole baskets out & forward with a circular wrist motion as opposed to lifting the pole by extending the hands forward & up ... when you're actually in the bumps this makes more sense as you avoid catching the baskets (especially on the inside) on the front of the bump. |
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| veeeight wrote: |
Quoted from another forum:
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| The one key for me was to make sure that you swing the pole baskets out & forward with a circular wrist motion as opposed to lifting the pole by extending the hands forward & up ... |
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Poster: A snowHead
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| parlor wrote: |
Double pole plants are wrong.
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Surely nobody below the age of 50, or perhaps 35 if French, would EVER use double pole plants... |
Last year one of my instructors (a BASI trainer/examiner) was advocating double pole plants in couloir skiing - and did them all the time himself. He also did them when taking the fun (i.e. airbone) route through mogul fields.
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| GrahamN wrote: |
| instructors (a BASI trainer/examiner) was advocating double pole plants in couloir skiing - and did them all the time himself. He also did them when taking the fun (i.e. airbone) route through mogul fields. |
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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veeeight, but, nope. Still don't get it. I still don't see that you can correctly turn on a bump without proper anticipation and with a second pole in the way. Likewise in couloirs...
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Well there you go then.
What to do?
Happy to agree to disagree. Clearly all us instructors must be turning incorrectly in bumps then.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I'm 28, and have had lessons in both Canada and Europe and the double plant seems to me to be the preference of certain instructors as opposed to any great age or continental divide thing. I picked it up when I started racing in my mid teens, and use it still from time to time but more often than not when skiing the fall line with tight turns. In saying this last year in Val T I got a couple of private lessons, for most of which the instructor was trying to beat the double plant out of me. I still do it though, i like the way it forces you to keep both hands well forward and thus your body weight where it should be. I see alot of otherwise technically very good skiers letting their hands drop away, with the resultant drop back over the tails, which to me is just sloppy. The double plant stops me from doing it. When I fan out into wider radius turns i do revert to a single plant though.
I tend to use the double plant also on the rare occasions that i ski bumps. I would usually plant the tip out from my body quite a distance, far further than you see the ESF video formation skiing chaps from the eighties by way of example, and with my upper body square to the fall line i don't find that they get in the way. For me pole planting is more about a timing aid than actually being involved much in the turn (I have seen people generating some of their unweighting from a very heavy pole 'stab'!) so it really doesnt interfere with my turns.
On saying all this though, the longer I ski the more i realise its a 'different strokes for different folks' activity, what feels right and works for one may be anathema to others. Part of the fun for me in it though is looking at good skiers and incorporating what they do into my own skiing to see how it works for me. Sometimes, as with the double plant, it does, other times it doesnt! 
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Does anyone often ski without poles?
Whenever the instructor would tell our group to lose them for an excercise, everyone would groan. When you actually started to move downhill, it was actually rather fun, I liked being able to lean over hard and skim the snow with my finger tips (rightly or wrongly - it felt fun, almost like you were gliding down like a bird!)
It was nice to be without poles getting in the way. Having said that they're great comfort for beginners certainly - their purpose may not be to help you to stand up but it sure helps!
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veeeight, happy to agree to disagree too!
But none of my instructor friends ever double pole plant...
And as I suggest, in bumps, if you're skiing them fall line (properly in my book), I don't see how you can double plant at all...
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FAQ
Seriously though as an exercise it really helps because if you are dropping your inside had you don't really have the weight on the outside ski hence cant make an effective turn - it is near impossible to double plant and drop the inside hand!! Not sure about trying it in the moguls though! 