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I am trying to get an objective measurable picture of what "good" looks like for ski fitness and I was thinking that people training for the eurotest may be a good benchmark.
Pro athletes are so far ahead of recreational skiers that it's almost meaningless to me. For example I read that downhill olympic male skiers leg press 400+kg I'd be happy with half that!
Although I am not planning to do the eurotest in the near future (or at all most likely) I wandering if anyone has a view of the minimum fitness levels expected for someone that has a chance of passing it?
I'm personally interested in the numbers for an adult male but female numbers would also be interesting. Ideally I'd like a list of physical tests with values please, i.e. run 2km in x seconds, leg press y kg etc. not sure if it works like that though.
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I cant remember from my days doing Eurotest (and passing days) back in 2005 BUT what I would say is I LIVED fitness for 12 months. I was in the gym every day and constantly stretching after sessions. My diet was at least 1000000 times better than it is now. One person once told me that the fitness required is NOT the fitness needed for race day but the ability to train day in, day out at 110% and never tire. The 400kg leg press side of things wont be far off it!!!!
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You need to pass the Ironman Test Battery (ITB).
Norwegian skiers use it.
Take 8 tests. Aerobic, balance, agility, strength, etc. Get a score at the end. Pass or fail.
Run 3km, benchpress 1RM, yall get the idea.
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Eurotest is a world away from pro downhill racing. Technique and gravity do most of the work. You can build up the necessary strength (which is not equivalent to squatting huge amounts - 400kg would be a huge squat for an olympic weightlifter, let alone a skier!) just through skiing. I'm not saying it's not worth incorporating some strength exercises but for most people leg strength is not a limiting factor.
Similar is true for aerobic fitness. You don't need a 5k in x mins. While it certainly won't be a bad thing doing some cardio training, you can build up the required fitness simply by skiing.
Specificity is most definitely king.
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@boarder2020, you passed it? Cos that text of yours sound worlds away from my understanding of the athletic requirement …
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| under a new name wrote: |
| @boarder2020, you passed it? Cos that text of yours sound worlds away from my understanding of the athletic requirement … |
No but I've seen enough old french guys that grew up skiing and have never seen the inside of a gym and could pass it tomorrow
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To be fair if you are out of shape and don't have a really strong ski background sure improving your fitness and strength is going to help. My point is the kid that grew up race training is likely going to be fine. While passing it is certainly impressive, it's a long way from what the top pros are doing (yes those guys need some serious strength training). You could (and plenty have) passed it without ever doing any kind of weight training or cardio. Simply get really good at skiing, the specific strength and fitness will generally work itself out. Of course if you have some specific weakness or imbalance weight training may be more important. But 5km run time or what weight you can squat is ime not a good predictor. Although sure improving both certainly doesn't hurt.
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
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| @boarder2020, you passed it? Cos that text of yours sound worlds away from my understanding of the athletic requirement … |
No but I've seen enough old french guys that grew up skiing and have never seen the inside of a gym and could pass it tomorrow |
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
No but I've seen enough old french guys that grew up skiing and have never seen the inside of a gym and could pass it tomorrow
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Yeah, no. You clearly have no idea of just how hard it is.
I never seriously contemplated it, having only started my BASI journey aged 50+, because it was quite clear that no matter how fit I might be able to get I would never be able to approach the lebel required. Technique alone is not enough.
What's the oldest anyone's ever passed it, or its various guises over the years? If you can find anyone even remotely approaching that sort of age I'll be surprised; I was reliably informed when I started thinking about it that nobody over 50 had ever done so. For values of 'reliably' including several BASI trainers and Swiss patent holders, that is. They may have been wrong, of course.
I think Steve's the only one on this thread so far who's actually done it, and his comment about fitness pretty much says it all.
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I think 40s is oldest. I was exaggerating. But not more exaggeration than the idea of a 400kg squat  the best super heavyweight olympic weightlifters don't even squat that much!
The point stands. A kid that had a race training background but never stepped foot in a gym or ran a 5k in their life is in way better position to pass than some super fit/strong but only started skiing seriously as an adult. Of course ideally you have both, but the ski experience massively outweighs fitness.
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@boarder2020, good on you for backing down a bit but there's a big difference between 'exaggerating' and saying something that is completely untrue and misleading.
The thing is, anybody who actually knows about this, will be aware that most of what you've posted above is rubbish, (and may well steer clear of the thread as a result) while anybody that is wanting to learn, runs the risk of being misled by you. That's not fair!
Now, if your words were couched as opinions, ruminations in the field, there'd be less of a problem but you're presenting as some kind of authority on a matter you clearly know little about.
So would it not be better just to leave the space clear for the people that do know, to give useful advice as requested by the OP?
There is no shame in not knowing - but there is in leading people astray by pretending that you do!
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400kg would be a huge squat for an olympic weightlifter, let alone a skier
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They said leg press not squat
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I passed the Eurotest aged 38.
I don't have my weight training notebook to hand, but I do remember I was squatting about my bodyweight for 30 reps with continuous motion.
As Steve said some of the fitness is for the test but more useful in order to be able to do more training runs in a day without getting too tired.
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You know it makes sense.
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Thanks all, this gives some great insight, it's refreshing to have something different to the standard response of "do loads of pilates" as a ski fitness goal. Although I want to be clear I do see the benefits of pilates.
I'm a big fan of resistance training for general health so I'll look into this a bit further to see if I can come up with a set of (semi achievable) goals for next season.
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Poster: A snowHead
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| Chaletbeauroc wrote: |
I never seriously contemplated it, having only started my BASI journey aged 50+, because it was quite clear that no matter how fit I might be able to get I would never be able to approach the lebel required. Technique alone is not enough. |
Everyone slows down with age.
Partially that is because we cannot train at the level we did when younger. As snowrider and Steve said part of keeping fit was to be able to train hard without tiring or suffering injuries, which seems to be a major factor.
At the same time as, Boarder alluded to, there are club racers who do the test without any particular focus on the test itself but I know that even within the kids groups they do cross training / strength training. There is a bit difference between someone who starts ski racing as a kid and someone who starts down the BASI/AISI (or even ENSA) route later in life.
All this said as a casual observer.
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
| A kid that had a race training background but never stepped foot in a gym or ran a 5k in their life |
Is it even possible to have a “race training background” without ever having been in the gym or run 5k?!
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@Arno, the boarder guy has no clue... not worth rising to the bait
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@Henwc, what are you trying to achieve? I'm far from the best skier out there, I'm "ok" and have passed my BASI L2, but piste skiing at age 57 I don't find tiring at all, it hardly raises my HR. Moguls/off piste/touring does raise the HR depending on the snow.
A lot depends on your age and what you are trying to acheive, ie prevent injuries, ski longer during the day, ski harder runs or just general interest?
@boarder2020, could you please edit that first post, it's very misleading IMHO and proven incorrect by people who have passed it.
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| Arno wrote: |
| boarder2020 wrote: |
| A kid that had a race training background but never stepped foot in a gym or ran a 5k in their life |
Is it even possible to have a “race training background” without ever having been in the gym or run 5k?! |
I have never run 5k, used to go to the gym pre COVID though.
Was at a Masters race on Monday and have been skiing a bit recently with a local instructor in his 70s who is training slalom for the Challenge des Moniteurs. Don't know what gym work anyone is doing but just carrying a bundle of gates around can provide a bit of strength training
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Sorry for the quick off topic, but is it possible to avoid the Eurotest by being sub-100 FIS points in an Alpine discipline? If I’m not just imagining it, would that not be easier than passing the ET?
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@doddsie, It used to be possible, I have spoken to several French trainee instructors who preferred Slalom to Giant Slalom and were using that route to qualify. FIS points were recalculated several years ago though, so I would expect the number required to have changed too.
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| doddsie wrote: |
| Sorry for the quick off topic, but is it possible to avoid the Eurotest by being sub-100 FIS points in an Alpine discipline? If I’m not just imagining it, would that not be easier than passing the ET? |
Yes there are exemptions for low FIS points in a tech discipline, but my understanding is that's more difficult than passing the eurotest.
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@Henwc, check with the JJC guys on here, they are high end racers who specialise (or used to, not sure if they are still doing) in eurotest training. One of them had an excellent fitness programme he shared with me some years ago, and indeed weights was a key part of it. IIRC squatting (NOT leg pressing) > bodyweight for multiple sets / reps was one of the key targets. I recall concluding that 3 sets of 5 reps with >100kg at a bodyweight of 75 kg would have been close to ET fitness.
FWIW, re the pros, I recall seeing Axel-lund Svindal training 5 sets of 15+ reps with 150kg plus chains draped over the bar ends to add extra load as he stood up!
Didier Cuche was apparently a strength beast, squatting >500 lbs (~230 kg) for 1RM.
Ted Ligety was famously doing 50+ reps with 100 kg when he was dominating GS on the long radius skis at the time.
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On a similar theme, a friend of mine passed the ISIA Speedtest this morning by 0.6 seconds. In terms of gym work, he doesn't do a great deal, however, he has a pretty manual labour type job, and then teaches in the high season, along with teaching full time for about the previous 10 seasons.
Last year he missed the mark by 0.5 seconds. This year, he trained with me twice on a weekend with a bunch of masters racers I train with and that's it.
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I passed the Eurotest aged 38.
I don't have my weight training notebook to hand, but I do remember I was squatting about my bodyweight for 30 reps with continuous motion.
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This explains why we are going to get some disagreement. There is a big difference in what some people consider "strong" and "fit". While 30x BW squat is way above average, it's not particularly impressive in comparison to what you would expect to see in athletes competing in sports where strength is a much stronger predictor of performance.
We could also argue 30 reps is more about muscular endurance than pure strength. Muscular endurance and power are probably more relevant to pro skiers than strength.
There's a paper here showing some data from USA ski team https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10218050/
You can see for the guys they reach 2mmol lactate at about 2.4w/kg. Again, way above average, but below plenty of semi serious recreational cyclists. Estimating their FTP from the 4mmol results (caveat: 4mmol doesn't correlate that well with FTP, but for the sake of an easy comparison) they would be category c riders on zwift. Again, not particularly impressive in the grand scheme of things.
So questions of how strong and fit you need to be are always going to be massively influenced by what you actually consider to be "strong" and "fit".
An interesting question might be "how little training outside actual skiing is it possible to do and pass the eurotest?". For someone that started skiing at 3, done 100+ days per year their entire life including lots of time racing gates, the answer may well be a lot less than someone that came to skiing later in life. Like I say for most people leg strength or cardiovascular fitness is not their limiting factor, but that's not to say improving it can't help.
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@boarder2020, how much time does it take to complete a GS course compared to "semi serious recreational cycling"?... Ski racing is anaerobic sport and there is little comparisons with cycling
That you find "how little training you can do" and interesting question shows again you have no clue what you are on about.
If you dont train correctly for ski racing you probably wont be very successful and will most likely get injured.
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@skimottaret, Thanks for the links, I'll have a read through and see if I can complete the tests.
@kitenski, I'm mainly trying to benchmark my strength training against an objectively good level of strength training for skiing. My thinking is that the strength outcomes required for the eurotest would be a reasonable benchmark. This is because the eurotest GS is a reasonable approximation for the high performance recreational skiing I aspire to (note aspire not actually achieve right now). I did manage to find a lot of information about pro athletes but as others have pointed out they operate at such a high level it doesn't really work as a benchmark because I am never going to get close enough for it to be reasonable.
@gra, Thanks for the tip, the pro numbers are clearly far out of my league but still interesting.
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@skimottaret, the original question was how fit do you need to be. 4mmol is a pretty standard measurement of anaerobic threshold. Sure it's not their primary sport so we would expect to see some loss in performance due to not being super efficient. But we see plenty of crossover in non cycling athletes with elite fitness producing very impressive bike numbers. Nils VdP is a nice example.
In events lasting a minute there is certainly an aerobic component, even if anaerobic is potentially a bigger contribution. Look at the way the top 400m sprinters train, there is a reason most can run a very fast 5km time.
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That you find "how little training you can do" and interesting question shows again you have no clue what you are on about.
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So are you telling me there are no kids that grew up racing as young teenagers without any serious strength training program that couldn't pass the eurotest with just some training on snow? They would all get injured?
I'm not saying it's not an impressive achievement but some want to make out the fitness strength required for eurotest is at way too of an elite level compared to what we see in other sports. But again maybe we just have very different opinions in what constitutes "strength" and "fitness". As someone that worked in sports science I can tell you elite downhill skiers were not our top examples of either! While they do contribute, the technical difficulty of skiing is really where the performance is.
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Also important not to under estimate the mental side on the Eurotest (and other ski racing). You can be the physically strongest but when you stand in the start gate and know the next 60 seconds or so determines the success of something you have worked toward for weeks / months / years, you have to be able to get in the correct mind set.
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That you say you worked in sports science and have made the "contributions" you have offered up on this thread is pathetic. Im out.
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@Henwc, for all the discussion on here, I’d say you can perform very well at a recreational level without being super fit. You don’t have to look too hard to find instructors who are now carrying a bit of timber but could ski 95+% of people off the hill
The benefits of training in a racing context has been discussed above by people with much more experience than me
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| Arno wrote: |
| @Henwc, for all the discussion on here, I’d say you can perform very well at a recreational level without being super fit. |
Yes indeed. Going back to the OP I see:
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I am trying to get an objective measurable picture of what "good" looks like for ski fitness and I was thinking that people training for the eurotest may be a good benchmark.
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I'm mainly trying to benchmark my strength training against an objectively good level of strength training for skiing. My thinking is that the strength outcomes required for the eurotest would be a reasonable benchmark. This is because the eurotest GS is a reasonable approximation for the high performance recreational skiing I aspire to
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No, I don't think it is a reasonable approximation at all, nor a good benchmark. Hopefully it's become clear from those posting here who have actually done the eurotest that a very much higher level of fitness and strength is required than us mere mortals can aspire to.
For most people doing "high performance recreational skiing" there are much greater gains to be had from technical improvement than from extreme fitness. Even relatively minor improvements in efficiency can be much more significant, by using less energy, than fitness gains to be able to give the extra energy needed. IYSWIM.
That's why my skiing goal since I had a life-changing motorbike accident some years ago has been improvements to allow me to ski hard and fast all day long without the level of strength and fitness that I had prior to that. Less work=more fun! 
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| boarder2020 wrote: |
There is a pretty easy solution to this debate. |
There is no debate. There's those who have done it (and some of us who haven't) who all say a very high level of fitness is required, and then there's you.
Trying to compare to professional athletes in the same or other sports is meaningless - you're making something of a straw-man argument by doing so, as nobody (else) is suggesting that a Eurotest candidate needs to be as strong or fit as an Olympic medallist .
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- someone who started skiing later in life possibly from a reasonably unfit starting point |
Maybe this will be interesting?
Becoming a ski instructor when you don't come from the mountains. Mathilde Suard / Arc Adventures / les Arcs
Because I am often asked questions about this, I will try to answer as many questions as possible here.
I was 21 when I decided to become a ski instructor.
Experienced: - 1 week per year of skiing from 3 to 10 years old (in esf course up to the 3rd star, which I didn't get...)
- 1 week per year of snowboarding from 11 to 18 years old
- between 2 to 4 weeks per year of snowboarding from 18 to 21 years old.
At 21, I returned to skis, with my 2nd star level: start of turn with a snow plow, end of turn with a skid.
I started by participating in the Ucpa selection assessment at the end of August/beginning of September in Tignes (in 2004). (I had started skiing again 2 days before)
Basically, I am a gymnast, and that helped me a lot: the Ucpa does not only look at the level of skiing, it also looks at physical qualities: vertical and horizontal relaxation, coordination, velocity in a motor skills course, endurance ...
There is also a motivational interview and a written test.
Well, following this selection assessment, I was not accepted: skiing in a snow plow is not enough, even with the greatest motivation in the world and the best physical qualities...
On the other hand, they called me back to offer me a position as a bartender at the Ucpa in Tignes: there was just one condition for them to take me: that I commit to skiing every day... I don't I didn't hesitate for 1 second!
So I spent a winter (5 months) skiing every day, but especially with ski instructors, in class: first week in class 1, 2nd week in class 2, several weeks in class 3 and at the end in off-piste courses. I also went to instructor training on Wednesdays when I had a sufficient level.
It is important to note that what allowed me to progress this winter was skiing with instructors and therefore having feedback on my practice: knowing what to aim for. Another colleague from that winter, a cook, who also wanted to become an instructor, did not take the same approach as me: he skied more than me (he was on skis from the opening (while I, from time to time, I was only there at 10 a.m. to recover from my murge...)) but he always skied alone: he picked up faults which became entrenched without thinking that they were faults.
When I took the selection assessment again in May, I can tell you that I was no longer the same skier at all.
So I was taken into SFP training with UCPA. I was funded by the local mission. As I had worked before, my training was paid and I received a little money at the end of the month.
This wasn't enough to pay for everything: I passed my first technical tests without combat, for example. My ski maintenance case was also very succinct.
In January, I missed the Technical Test (TT) by 6 tenths. In March, I screwed up the papers (in the middle of a separation from my boyfriend at the time, my mind was a bit elsewhere) and so I wasn't able to retake it.
The following winter, I left the UCPA and went to do a season at Toussuire as a cleaning lady: very bad plan! In fact, I was released every afternoon but I worked in the morning. However, the tracks (slaloms) are on the stadiums in the morning, but not in the afternoon.
All the locals told me that the most important thing was to go free skiing. I continue to say that this is a big cowdoo for my profile and for all the profiles who have not been through the ski club. I will return to this subject a little later.
If you are looking for a job in the resort so you can ski nearby, look closely at the schedules! I don't know of a better job than bartender at UCPA.
I didn't sign up for the TT in January because I still hadn't skied a slalom but I did it in March. I went off the route twice so I didn't have time to get an idea of the work I still had to do.
At the end of winter, I began to lose hope and, above all, to go into debt!
So I put my project aside. Returning to mom and dad at 25, returning to studies, I experienced it as a big loser at the beginning but quickly, I appreciated seeing the fridge which filled itself, the dish which was prepared by itself, the laundry that washes itself....
I was at the IUFM to take the school teacher competition. Yes, teaching is something that has suited me for a long time, I also gave gym classes since I was 15. Ski instructor, you don't choose this job to ski, you choose it because you like teaching. It's very important to have this in mind!
I still registered for the TT in March. I hadn't skied all winter. I spent 3 days in Les 2 Alpes just before the event. I went to the stadium, and a nice gentleman, Christophe, coached me free of charge for 2 days: responsible for the stadium, he had no one to take care of at that time and traced slaloms just for Me. So, yes, maybe being a girl helped but I'm really not convinced: Christophe was married with a child and really did this out of passion, without any expectation of return. My partner took the same approach as me once (in another stadium) and received the same attention.
I passed the TT to Lelex. I had heard it was easier. The advantage of not being a mountain person is that you can do the TT wherever you want. So I don't know if it's easier because the success rate has been 10%, but I think thinking it's easier helps. (I don't know if you followed me?)
I skied the round of my life! I had never skied so well! I arrived at the bottom saying to myself: “if I don’t have it there, I’ll stop without any regrets because I could never do better!”. And I got it. I was going to be 25 years old.
Everyone told me: “the TT is nothing, the hardest part is the Eurotest!”
I didn't really believe it. But to give myself every chance, I chose to take the pre-training as late as possible. In fact, once you have completed pre-training, you only have 3 years (4 if you are a student) to be able to take the Eurotest. Afterwards, you can still take it but you can no longer teach. Logic dictates that we pass the pre-training as quickly as possible to be able to teach straight away. I chose the opposite option to give myself more time, to maximize my chances of passing the Eurotest.
And then, just after my TT, I had the school teacher competition, my partner, a child...
After 3 years, I passed the pre-training, a formality if you are in school and a minimum seriousness.
I persuaded my partner to do a season in the mountains, just to give me the opportunity to obtain the Eurotest. I made a request for availability from the National Education which was granted to me (1 year without work therefore without salary), I applied to the ESF. I was accepted into all the ESFs where I applied but the problem was finding accommodation at a decent price (and in a resort so that Monsieur could benefit from it).
That winter, there was not enough snow at the Arc 2000 stadium for us to plant stakes there. People told me: “Give yourself giant curves!” GGGRRRR! Now I come back to this subject! WHAT DO GIANT CURVES LOOK LIKE????? I had never put on giant skis, I had never passed the slightest arrow, and they would like me to do giant curves...
Still with my same approach of going to look at the stadiums, I managed to do a bit of giant work (by squatting on the routes of the Ucpa, the ski club, the leisure section... against tracing and untracing by example!), by registering for a grand prize...
I didn't do many but I still managed to pass the Eurotest in April. From 0.99s. Almost 1 second.
I remain convinced that for profiles similar to mine, the Eurotest is easier. In special slalom, everything goes too quickly: we don't have time to think about everything, to break down the movements. In giant, the technique remains the same except that we have more time to think and therefore put into practice.
A very good sharpening of my skis (old skis which were also lent to me for the winter, thanks for the finances!) also helped me a lot! Getting the angle is essential to hope to obtain the Eurotest, but beyond technique, if the skis don't hold up there's not much you can do! The ski club machine and the coach worked wonders!
--- https://mathildesuardski.wordpress.com/
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when I got on skis? Knackered after only a few runs. (Age 57 and 8 months off for heart surgery). 
