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So is it true that over about 50 quid there is no real advantage in expensive running shoes?
I'm looking for something for running up to, say, 10km but with a bit of support as I have some ankle ligament issues and a bit more comfortable than my current pumps
My current shoes were 35 euros from Decathlon, looking at the soles I have a straight gait (I notice a lot of runners that I see are pigeon toed or duck footed) so no special issues with alignment. ( https://www.decathlon.fr/p/chaussure-jogging-homme-run-active/_/R-p-100428?mc=8488639 )
what do snowheads run with ?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I currently use Hoka, purely for the extra thickness to help knackered old knees, but always buy them in the sale.....
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| kitenski wrote: |
| I currently use Hoka, purely for the extra thickness to help knackered old knees, but always buy them in the sale..... |
Thanks,
I know nothing about shoes so I'm trying to sort between more "fashion" brands like Nike and serious brands. I'll add Hoka to my list, which model do you have?
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@davidof, I've got a pair of the Rincon which have done 500km and will be replaced by a pair of Bondi 7 I got in the last sale! I also have a pair of their trail shoes, Mafate Speed 2.
I've also used Brooks which I found good, but was hard to find shoes in my size in the sale.
I guess it is a bit like ski boots, if you've "normal" feet you'll prob be ok in most running brand shoes. Nike have fashion and serious pairs (most marathons pros are in Nike I believe, but sponsored and their fast shoes save a few %)
Do you have a French equivalent to somewhere like this or Wiggle do discount shoes..
https://www.sportsshoes.com/running/
If you buy from the "official" sites some do allow a 30 day try/keep/return or similar.
Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. on Mon 3-04-23 10:37; edited 1 time in total
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I also use Hoka - Speedgoat 4 - for trail running, very good over the rough but I don't love them on flat pavements. For that I have a cheapo pair of nike running shoes with bouncy foam treads that do the job.
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What surfaces do you run on?
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| Mosha Marc wrote: |
| What surfaces do you run on? |
tarmac and hard sand/trail, nothing technical
No problem to get 50-60% off list in France with last season's shoes.
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@davidof, I don't know about the >€50 thing but generally I've bought my shoes in specialist shops and after trying on a bundle of pairs I always seem to end up in the €140 mark (although once a pair is identified, they are often a load cheaper to replace on line esp. prior year's colours).
I've been through ASICS Gel Kayano, Saucony Hurrycan and am currently in Salomon Sense Rides (e.g. last year's version €79 here no idea re sizes available
The Salomons come in a GoreTex version which I don't find any hotter than the normal ones so I'm just using the GT ones year round now (that link is non GT)
In normal times I run ~8ks 3-4 times a week, with a 12-15k at the weekend but I didn't run at all last year so I'll be building up from scratch ... 
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I generally wear Asics GT-2000 as my day to day shoe for general miles. I generally pay around £80 for the previous years model that retails for about £120 new.
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I must say though, that Decathlon shoe looks perfectly fine!
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I now use Mizuno Wave Riders having ran in Asics Nimbus for Marathon training years ago. The Nimbus were great but heavy - I'm sure they will have reduced in weight as the last set I bought was 14 years ago .
The Wave Riders were much lighter and I haven't suffered any injuries but I am due some new ones as I haven't ran regularly but must have over a 1500 miles on them over the last 5 years, I used to keep track and change them every 1200 miles (every 6 months) but due to Covid and getting unfit I stopped tracking the miles as the runs became so sporadic.
I've ordered last years model for £50 rather than this years for £125 from Velorunner
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| under a new name wrote: |
| I must say though, that Decathlon shoe looks perfectly fine! |
it is ok but not much cushioning on tarmac / hardtop
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I've been using a pair of Decathlon TR2 trainers for about a year. They seem to suit my feet/running style with no blisters or joint pain on runs up to 10k (normally do 5 to 6k and then boredom sets in). They suit me for the ground I run on which can be a mix of pavement, grass and gravel on the same run. It seems that the more expensive trainers are more specific to a terrain type rather than a basic "does everything ok".
On the flip side my other half swears by Brooks Ghost.
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You know it makes sense.
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I use Asics for trail and road - I've probably put over 10,000km on c.15-20 pairs and never had a problem. If you join OneAsics you get 90 days free returns for any reason - even if you've worn them - but only on full price shoes.
https://www.asics.com/gb/en-gb/faq-page/faq-oneasics/faq-oneasics.html
Like @NoMapNoCompass, I generally buy last year's model in the sale.
I have a bunch of specialist race shoes as well (in a different price bracket!), but the Asics are my daily workhorse.
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| davidof wrote: |
| So is it true that over about 50 quid there is no real advantage in expensive running shoes? |
That might be true...
Generally I find it is worth spending some money (~£75) on running shoes.
Decent pair of shoes will help avoid injury as you ramp up the miles.
The correct answer depends on your feet.
If you have a high arch / pronation issues then you might need the extra support and better quality shoes.
However there is a school of though that wearing support shoes becomes self fulfilling prophecy as you become dependent on them.
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Poster: A snowHead
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@davidof, as you know either side of the winter season I do a fair bit of running, both trail and road and seem to always be carrying an injury 
For road, as has been mentioned Hoka, plus I also have some of their trail shoes.
However, for trail I use Decathlon's running brand, Evadict, and was most impressed with how they have different shoes depending on type of ground/distance and budget; I'm pretty sure that they do the same for road running?
Or, as an alternative, go to your local big Intersport Superstore and try on a load, and then once you're happy with the size, search online and you'll get it even cheaper, as I found out with my Hoka trail shoes.
I have found that shoes & soles do not seem to last as long as they used to, road shoes I get through really quickly.
I also use my footbeds in both my ski-boots and running shoes, and I still have some expensive footbeds from many a year ago when I was running marathons, not helped by one foot longer than the other, and in those days I had my shoe-sole built up, bit more difficult with the wide sole designs of today.
One reason as to why I run trail, as I don't seem to get the niggling injuries as much as being on the road.
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| Weathercam wrote: |
I have found that shoes & soles do not seem to last as long as they used to, road shoes I get through really quickly.
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I wonder if the brands are exchanging comfort / performance for wear.
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One reason as to why I run trail, as I don't seem to get the niggling injuries as much as being on the road.
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yes, true, I prefer to run on tracks but right out the door is tarmac. On a 5km run from the front door or work there is the first 1.5km on pavement so that's my main surface. I don't really want to run much further than that but want to run in more comfort so am looking at the all the suggestions here.
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| Haggis_Trap wrote: |
However there is a school of though that wearing support shoes becomes self fulfilling prophecy as you become dependent on them. |
I think there must be a sweet spot between full Zola Budd and Glam Rock Boots. I always think what you say about people running around with knee and elbow supports - I have worn them after injury but try and ween myself off them asap.
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I either wear ASICS Gel Kayano (or ASCIS GT 2000 trails) which are slightly cheaper.
always had knee pain when running so always went for "cushioned soles".
Apparently i needed support soles as I have a low arch.
best money I have ever spent.
But in life their are 2 things I don't scrimp on .............. toothbrushes and footwear 
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The New York Times just published this good article on the science of running shoes. The summary seems to be that in an otherwise uninjured person, thick, cushioned shoes increase the likelihood of injury but in someone who already has some injury, cushioned running shoes protect against pain. The article is worth reading as it gets beyond the marketing to the physiology.
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| kitenski wrote: |
| The Hoka Strutfit feet fit thing is very cool |
if only they did that for ski boots 
Hoka says I can wear any running shoe that is a comfortable fit as my current shoes are work exactly in the middle.
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I suspect pricing is similar to ski boots - A chunk of the retail cost (and why they are often available online a lot cheaper) is margin to (at least partially) cover fitting services.
As someone with 'awkward' (very wide forefoot, high instep) feet (though easy for ski boots - having had several good fitters in a row take one look and tell me which boot (it eventually was) but that they don't have any in stock so can't help today) and being overweight (hence jogging to try and fix that) getting properly fitted shoes made a huge difference to comfort;
It isn't that the expensive running shoes are significantly better so cost a lot more than mid range; It is that spending 1hr+ with someone (hopefully) competent (+ for running a treadmill for trying them and looking for potential issues) costs money...
So if shoes work for you, carry on. If it doesn't then it may be well worth spending the money at least once to get recommended something that does
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| qwerty360 wrote: |
It is that spending 1hr+ with someone (hopefully) competent (+ for running a treadmill for trying them and looking for potential issues) costs money...
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have you tried French ski boot fitting?
"shrugs shoulders and pouts: 'ow do I know what feets your feet ?"
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@davidof, with running shoes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
If you're happy with your gait, a nice neutral stability shoe will do the job. Most of my running injuries over the years have been picked up chasing gains that I wish I hadn't through custom insoles, or pushing the boundaries of weight, width or back to front rock.
Jumped into this thread as you mentioned ankle ligaments. In your case, Hoka are the very last brand on the planet I'd recommend, too squishy on the heel strike and too much stress in that area. There are 2 sorts of Hoka-wearers - those that think they're the most comfortable shoes ever made, and those that were injured wearing them. I switched groups rapidly after 3 runs 
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| JimiHendrix wrote: |
Jumped into this thread as you mentioned ankle ligaments. In your case, Hoka are the very last brand on the planet I'd recommend, too squishy on the heel strike and too much stress in that area. There are 2 sorts of Hoka-wearers - those that think they're the most comfortable shoes ever made, and those that were injured wearing them. I switched groups rapidly after 3 runs |
ahh that's very interesting.
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Recently I have been running in Karrimor Tempo 6 and replace them after 500 miles. I usually buy two pairs at a time, and average about 600 miles a year.
These are trail shoes which I get for extra stability. I have not had any problem with these since Tempo 4 version, and have used Tempo 5 and am now on Tempo 6.
I have also run in expensive Asics shoes and very cheap pairs which did not fit properly. Most important thing is to replace them when you have done a certain mileage, and you will see the wear on the sole. Also get the right size or you will bleed under your toe nails and wonder what the cause was. (excessive distance in shoes not large enough due to feet getting larger as you age in my case)
Looks like the new pairs I have are Karrimor tempo 5, but the ones which are nearing end of life are Tempo 6. I do not know the difference, but I like the ones I am running in currently which are nearly worn out.
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You know it makes sense.
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So I bought some Ghost 14 "neutral stance" shoes half price in size 42, same as my street size but I was busy over bank holiday so have only taken them out for one 5k since buying them.
For my 5k "park run" run (7k with warmup / cool down) I'm not sure they make much of a difference but are more comfortable and supportive than a pair of 12 euro Decathlon trainers. I think over the long term they will be better. My aim is a 25 minute 5k. Still saw a guy running barefoot, hope he didn't step on any syringes on his run.
I was a bit humbled when my boy said he'd run that the other day for a university sports evaluation.
How did you do?
"oh about 21 minutes"
but you never run
"yes I know, the teacher said I was duck footed, he didn't realize ducks could run that fast"
so yes, I'm realistic about my running capacity
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I love my Hoka Torrent 2's. Currently on my third pair.
Nice and light with enough grip for light off road and water resistance for all but very wettest days.
I had a fitting session at a local running specialist before I started using these and went way up in size though ... street shoe = 10 , my hokas are 11.5 ...
Was told (rightly or wrongly) that you need plenty of space for your toes.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Just did this, wild. Recommended shoes 2 uk sizes bigger than I’ve ever worn. They either make tiny shoes or think you need feets flapping about in them.
Edit: this was the walking round the streets shoes, not running, have never done running for the sake of it
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@sheffskibod, are the Torrents Goretex or a Hoka membrane?
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Neither - they are a mesh upper so very breathable but the lower inch has a plastic coating which keeps the worst of the rain or dew out.
Not intended for proper wet conditions or muddy puddles (but on those days I rarely venture out!)
I have run in them in very wet conditions and they still work - you just get wet feet but mesh lets a lot of water back out.
Nice and light and don’t feel too built up to me but then I am not a heel striker.
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| sheffskibod wrote: |
went way up in size though ... street shoe = 10 , my hokas are 11.5 ...
Was told (rightly or wrongly) that you need plenty of space for your toes. |
Me too , wear 9 1/2-10 in normal shoes, 11 in my model of running shoes.
I used to always buy Asics Nimbus but stopped when they skimped on the reinforced area over your big toe. My toes tend to curl up and wore through the light mesh in no time at all. These were sold by a very well known/thought of and expensive independent sports shoe outlet, they tried to palm me of with some bodge of an in-house repair which rapidly failed. So went back and they admitted they should have taken back the shoes on the first time of asking and knew that this was an issue with that Asics model (wont be wasting my time going to them again).
Now I go with Mizuno Waveriders (up to issue 25) but usually buy these on line hoping the build/fit doesnt change and to get last years model/colour to reduce the cost (usually just short of £100) . But might go into a specialist shop on the odd occaision to ensure that they are still right for my gait.
But probably no big difference between the ones in that price range and the £50 for actual running but you may get better build quality and longer life out of the pricier ones.
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| sheffskibod wrote: |
Neither - they are a mesh upper so very breathable but the lower inch has a plastic coating which keeps the worst of the rain or dew out.
Not intended for proper wet conditions or muddy puddles (but on those days I rarely venture out!)
I have run in them in very wet conditions and they still work - you just get wet feet but mesh lets a lot of water back out.
Nice and light and don’t feel too built up to me but then I am not a heel striker. |
Torrent 2's are currently on a huge discount on the Hoka site - presumably been replaced by the Torrent 3
I just bought two pairs !
https://www.hoka.com/en/gb/outlet-men/torrent-2/1110496-SS.html?dwvar_1110496-SS_color=BCEP
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@sheffskibod, do you not get really hot/sweaty feet in them? I've been using the Hoka Mafate Speed 2 for trail running...
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| kitenski wrote: |
| @sheffskibod, do you not get really hot/sweaty feet in them? I've been using the Hoka Mafate Speed 2 for trail running... |
Not really had this problem - the mesh upper is very airy ...
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| davidof wrote: |
| JimiHendrix wrote: |
Jumped into this thread as you mentioned ankle ligaments. In your case, Hoka are the very last brand on the planet I'd recommend, too squishy on the heel strike and too much stress in that area. There are 2 sorts of Hoka-wearers - those that think they're the most comfortable shoes ever made, and those that were injured wearing them. I switched groups rapidly after 3 runs |
ahh that's very interesting. |
I was recommended Hoka, gave me more trouble than I started with so sent them back!
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