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Scotland -- Snow Reports -- 2023-24

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Cairngorm to open up the M1 poma today giving access to The White Lady and M1 pistes.

https://www.snow-forecast.com/whiteroom/cairngorm-to-open-upper-runs-to-experienced-skiers/

https://www.winterhighland.info/snowreports/index.php?resort=cg
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Excellent visibility, light winds and cool temperatures today. Should be good if limited skiing, available today at Glenshee. I suspect the snow will be quick!
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Cairngorm to open up the M1 poma today giving access to The White Lady and M1 pistes.
Just a shame there's no access for beginners/novices to the relatively snow-sure, Ptarmigan Bowl on the upper mountain Confused

I wonder if they've ever considered something like a funicular to get people up there? It could really transform the place... rolling eyes

I'm fearing the absolute worst on that subject Shocked Do we assume it's closed for good now?
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@mountainaddict, I dont think its dead, they need it to sell coffee and cake to summer day trippers...........

I dont know any regular Scottish skiers who seriously consider Cairngorm for lift served skiing now - I dont believe the management really care any more, sadly.

I prefer Glenshee and Glencoe anyway, both are simpler for a day trip for me.
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@mountainaddict, couldn’t agree more ref the Ptarmigan. Such a great area for beginners. Memories of teaching my son there.

The Cairngorm funicular situation is dire. How could they have got it so wrong? rolling eyes

I’m up in Moray about an hour from Aviemore. Glenshee do-able and I’ve enjoyed some good days there. Glencoe too far, for a day trip anyway. Never been.
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It's a great set up with some fantastic skiing amidst great scenery. Management committed to improving the facilities and experience too. Well worth a visit. You know it makes sense @Boofont Very Happy

What about Nevis Range? You been there? Also great on its day (despite going a bit to rack and ruin...). The Back Corries can be like the Vallee Blanche!
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I dont think its dead, they need it to sell coffee and cake to summer day trippers....
Sad but true Confused

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I dont know any regular Scottish skiers who seriously consider Cairngorm for lift served skiing now - I dont believe the management really care any more, sadly
Correct. We generally get up to the Scottish ski areas at least 6 times each season but have yet to buy a Cairngorm lift ticket since the funicular debacle. We've ski toured there a few times though - and even tried to support the ski area by buying hot drinks etc and stuff in the gift shop rolling eyes It's all such a shame, as we really enjoy the ski area. We've had some fantastic days there over the years.
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Only been Nevis Range once, over 20 years ago. It was so windy. If I recall we only did a few runs then came back and got out money back. Again, it’s a 2.5 to 3 hour drive.

Sadly I think the reality is that Scottish skiing is on its last legs. A bit off-topic but it’s also sad that the indoor place at Braehead (forget the name) has closed.

Here’s a pic from 2016 from the top of Cairngorm to remind us! My son, now 16.

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I think the funicular is dead. They need 2 to 3 chairs on the main uplift and one from the Ciste car park. The plateau is the most snow sure area in Scotland but no way to get there. Just spend the money on traditional uplift and not a white elephant.

At Glenshee the council need to allow cars with all season tyres and chains through and not just shut the road because someone in their 4x4 with summer tyres gets stuck.

Just now, at Glencoe the hill is filling in but not enough snow for lift accesses skiing just now.

At least at Glencoe they are investing. There is a new ski school head and a new annex to reduce queues. They have now installed a new ticket system where you just rock up and scan your booking.
Last year they installed a new chair.

Contrast that with Nevis. Only ski hire at the weekend. No ski school anymore.

Just my personal opinion. I only go to Glencoe and Glenshee these days.
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This was over the back at Glenshee today. The summit is Cairn O Claise and the best skiing we found today was descending from the sunlit ridge to the left of the pic. Nice granular snow (but a bit thin) on a very hard base gave some nice turns Very Happy


Looking back towards Banana Gully at the top of Glen Isla. The gully is filled in but would probably need a brave soul to ski it just now Shocked
No wind today made for a memorable Scottish day on the hill Toofy Grin
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It's another disaster season for Scotland.

Little snow, cr*p lifts, hostile / inept govt.
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It's another disaster season for Scotland.

Little snow, cr*p lifts, hostile / inept govt.


When you have less than no idea why post your s#it€?

Through the history of Glencoe as the oldest commercial ski area, the AVERAGE opening date is 16th January. the very first season in 1956 didn’t start until 20th February. There have been seasons that have begun later in the year than other seasons have finished.

On CairnGorm there is a less than 50% chance of skiable snow on Christmas Day, while much more likely on New Year’s day. But for the funicular crap show the season would have actually got underway weeks ago. It’s a legitimate argument that money has been vastly misdirected because of the self protectionism of HIE, a hostile government to snowsports is a pretty absurd claim given the £££ spent.
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Right about the lifts though, they are crap. Lol. Laughing
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@Whitegold, posting p1sh again.

Pic from the top of the main basin lift at Glencoe .

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@GlasgowCyclops, Nice. Just been on winterhighland, no snowsport as yet by the looks of it. I really should try and get over there sometime. Only time I've been near there was on a trials bike doing the Scottish Six Day Trial! That would have been at the bottom of the chair that takes you up to what I presume is the start of the ski area? I notice you've got Moray down as one of your locations, I'm there too.

Obviously really cold right now with this high sitting over Scotland. Lets hope the temp stays low but we get some snow coming in. Hopefully temps won't rise and kill the base layer. Ever the optimist I suppose... rolling eyes
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Was at Glenshee today and glorious in the sun but extremely limited skiing.
Small dusting of new snow overnight freshened up what pistes there were and afternoon on Sunnyside the pistes softened up a little.
Basically apart from the beginners slopes there was one piste off Claybokie and three off Sunnyside - so 3 greens and an easy blue.
It was a little disappointing that they were charging full price day tickets for the experience - pretty sure they will get more punters if they reduced it with such limited area available but for me today I needed a day concentrating entirely upon drills so was always going to be a bit tedious Confused even with more to go at.
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@Boofont, I live in Glasgow but my mother in law is in Burghead and I go there for weeks at a time. It used to be Asia for 10 days every month for years Happy

@dode is in Elgin so another local. Where are you?
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@GlasgowCyclops, Elgin also.

Some change from Asia to Burghead!
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It was a little disappointing that they were charging full price day tickets for the experience - pretty sure they will get more punters if they reduced it


That's a bit off really. Of course they have overreads and operating costs but to expect people to pay full price with limited snowsport available is pretty crap. It looks like Cairngorm are doing the same.

Regarding the funicular at Cairngorm, grabbed this from yesterdays report on Winterhighland. Reads as if there may be some good news soon?

"We are still waiting on information from the contractors and our parent company on when the Mountain Railway may be handed back to us. As soon as we do, we will let you all know."
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Handed back and handed back in full working order are two rather different things. Or the fully working handover date might be...2028 Confused

Meanwhile, the upper lift tracks appear to have been pisted at Glencoe Smile If the two people visible in the main basin are ski touring, they could be in for a good day.

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▶️ Watch this reel https://www.facebook.com/share/r/U2oKymRvdrdDSZGX/?mibextid=UalRPS

Some amazing tour reports being posted on the British Backcountry FB page. Some perfect weather this week in the highlands.
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Turning very cold next week across the UK. The cold dry north westerly airstream may favour heavy showers at Glencoe which won’t need a lot more to get their season started. Hopefully Glenshee will get the little bit more it needs to open out to the Caenlochan. Westerly showers should also help fill the Cairnwell runs. Glenshee could be the most sheltered ski area at the start of next week.

Winterhighland is a great source for Scottish ski related information https://www.winterhighland.info/general/
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@Peter S, Fingers crossed - for one reason and another I am not getting to the Alps this season so hoping for a good Scottish season.

I am lucky as I am self emp so am looking forward to some quiet quiet, bluebird midweek days !
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Yes, when it's good, you've just got to drop everything and make the most @GreenDay! This was when we did so last season - Cairngorm in Dec '22 and Glencoe in Jan '23 Very Happy






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@mountainaddict, I love that pic on Glencoe, you feel like you are on top of the world on days like that !
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Great pics guys.

I think we would all agree, get Scotland on a good day and it's as good as anywhere! Yes, lifts are pump, but then there's something quite exciting about getting launched four foot in the air as the poma gets picked up by the wire! Laughing
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Yes, lifts are pump....


Being an old fogey I'm not familiar with that adjectival use of the word 'pump', presumably it means cr@p or something similar? Toofy Grin
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It'll probably be the 2024 Word of The Year @Alastair Pink! We heard it here first! Laughing

I'm assuming (given that I'd never heard it either) that the Cairngorm funicular could be described as worse than pump, or sub-pump? Laughing

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For those of us down south, we only have to go as far as Yad Moss in the North Pennines to experience that thrill! Very Happy
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Sums it up nicely Toofy Grin

http://youtube.com/v/JO3CkZDT9iw
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Lesley McKenna is an inspiration, for sure.
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Still not enough snow at Glencoe, a little more at Glenshee, but light snow forecast later today.

Getting a lot colder and snow forecast over the next week which is really positive.
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Quite a few snow showers throughout the day on and around Ben Lawers today. Not a huge accumulation but very welcome. Toofy Grin
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Cairngorm and the lecht will pick up more snow overnight from the northerly but Glenshee already has 4 Pomas and a chairlift running and doesn’t need much more snow to get Tom Dearg and Caenlochan going. Fingers crossed.

https://www.ski-glenshee.co.uk/Snowroad-webcams
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Trend towards cool if not cold Westerlies by end of the week into next week. If we get into cold zonality then it’s jackpot time for the West Coast mountains. Little snow has made it down to Nevis or Glencoe so far today, but already can see on the Coe webcams things drifting in from the NW, which is exactly what is needed to fill the gaps from the SEly snowfalls earlier this month.
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Currently minus ten at the summit on Cairngorm. I think the record low there is only -12c, so quite a rare event.
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@Peter S, -12? Surely it’s been colder than that? Can’t recall exactly but I think it was 2010 when there was a frost for about a month over Moray. Granted, it was my car, but I was seeing -12 and that was about 6 miles inland from the Firth. I may be wrong of course. Often the case. rolling eyes
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"The coldest temperature is −26.9 °C (−16.4 °F) on 6 March 2007. Daytime temperatures staying below 0 °C (32 °F) all day occur most frequently between October and May but have been observed during every month of the year."

I remember several times -18 mornings in Braemar when I was doing the munros
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Yes I’m out of date. It looks like the minimum temperature recorded at the summit AWS was minus 14c on the 28th February 2018:

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/wea.3390#:~:text=At%200100%20gmt%20on%201,for%20at%20least%2025%20years.

The lower temperatures referred to above are wind chill equivalents and valley station temperatures during periods of exceptional frost inversions.

The lowest recorded temperature on the summit of Ben Nevis was minus 17c.


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Well, a quick perusal of the Cairngorm webcams reveals actual workers on the funicular track!

https://www.cairngormmountain.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/webcams/whitelady-full.jpg
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Cairnwell t bar now open at Glenshee giving a reasonable selection of runs
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