 Poster: A snowHead
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After a great fortnight in 3 Valleys we are both down with colds. It seems Ms OtR caught it on the bus or flight home. At least this time we didn’t catch it on the outward trip. We were much less densely packed in our accommodation and when skiing. Next trip we will definitely wear masks on flights and coaches. Anyone else?
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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I usually catch something all the time. Not as often now I turn off the air blower above my seat, but mixing with people in various locations from differents parts of the world is still likely to give me some bugs for my immune system to fight off.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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I wear a mask on planes, and if I remember to carry one, in enclosed lifts when skiing if it’s crowded, seems to be working for me.
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No.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| Gored wrote: |
| I usually catch something all the time. Not as often now I turn off the air blower above my seat, but mixing with people in various locations from differents parts of the world is still likely to give me some bugs for my immune system to fight off. |
Surely turning off the air blower increases your chance of being infected.
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| swiftoid wrote: |
| Gored wrote: |
| I usually catch something all the time. Not as often now I turn off the air blower above my seat, but mixing with people in various locations from differents parts of the world is still likely to give me some bugs for my immune system to fight off. |
Surely turning off the air blower increases your chance of being infected. |
Limited benefit if you end up sitting next to somebody who is infected
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Being on an aircraft is probably the safest place to be when it comes to catching a bug. The air is routinely changed every 90 seconds through a HEPA filter. The airflow is from ceiling to floor which minimises the transfer of bugs unless you are sat beside someone - that’s the luck of the draw.
You are far more likely to catch something on the transfer bus or in a crowded terminal or a Eurostar (15 minute circulation last time I looked).
For most people a skiing holiday means they are run down at the end of the week as a result of the combination of exertion, more alcohol than normal, late nights and early transfers. So your body cannot fight off what it normally might. You are also exposed to a variety of different strains of viruses/bacterial infections as ski resorts are a very diverse place with a similar variety of bugs which you have less immunity to.
It’s a common fallacy to blame the aircraft as it’s the last thing you were on before feeling ill.
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Agree with what Chocksaway has written.
Planes aren’t the main culprit more likely are transfer buses, crowded terminals, lifts and gondolas, bars and restaurants, and shared accommodation spaces, ski trips are immune system stress tests; you’re exposed to bugs you don’t normally meet.
If wearing a mask on flights or crowded transfers gives someone peace of mind, fair enough. But it’s not a silver bullet, and it won’t undo late nights, less sleep, dehydration, alchol and heavy weeks of strenuous activity.
Anecdotally I flush my nose out every night at home with saline to help with snoring. Touch wood, I don’t seem to pick up colds very often. No idea whether it’s correlation or causation, but it does seem to help keep things clear. I'm a bit more cautious post covid, hands to face are one of the main routes so I'm more conscious when traveling to carry hand sanitiser, and some wipes.
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Being on an aircraft is probably the safest place to be when it comes to catching a bug. The air is routinely changed every 90 seconds through a HEPA filter. The airflow is from ceiling to floor which minimises the transfer of bugs unless you are sat beside someone - that’s the luck of the draw.
You are far more likely to catch something on the transfer bus or in a crowded terminal or a Eurostar (15 minute circulation last time I looked).
For most people a skiing holiday means they are run down at the end of the week as a result of the combination of exertion, more alcohol than normal, late nights and early transfers. So your body cannot fight off what it normally might. You are also exposed to a variety of different strains of viruses/bacterial infections as ski resorts are a very diverse place with a similar variety of bugs which you have less immunity to.
It’s a common fallacy to blame the aircraft as it’s the last thing you were on before feeling ill. |
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Masks are not really designed to protect te wearer, but are designed to stop the wearer from spreading infections. The droplets of water in what you breathe out don't go far when they have to go through a mask first.
The FFP rated masks used by people working in dusty or otherwise harmful environments will provide much more protection for the wearer, but still not foolproof. and are noit what people normally wear in the type of situation you are talking of.
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You are far more likely to catch something on the transfer bus or in a crowded terminal or a Eurostar (15 minute circulation last time I looked).
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Indeed.
Or all those crowded bars. And if in a group it just takes one of you to catch to bring presents home for your friends.
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I’m pretty sure the coach transfer was the issue for us, due to incubation time, what has been said about aircraft ventilation, and our avoidance of bars, crowded or otherwise.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@king key, I’ve had covid and flu jabs this winter so very likely to be a common cold
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You know it makes sense.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
Masks are not really designed to protect te wearer, but are designed to stop the wearer from spreading infections. The droplets of water in what you breathe out don't go far when they have to go through a mask first.
The FFP rated masks used by people working in dusty or otherwise harmful environments will provide much more protection for the wearer, but still not foolproof. and are noit what people normally wear in the type of situation you are talking of. |
This was my understanding. If you don't want to catch other people's colds, I think you probably need them to wear the mask.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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| swiftoid wrote: |
| Gored wrote: |
| I usually catch something all the time. Not as often now I turn off the air blower above my seat, but mixing with people in various locations from differents parts of the world is still likely to give me some bugs for my immune system to fight off. |
Surely turning off the air blower increases your chance of being infected. |
No Idea, but I used to like the air blowing towards my face. Always used to end up with some sort of cold during or after the trip.
This year, only suffered with a block nose. No sore throat or pressure in the ears, etc.
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Poster: A snowHead
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I don't thing that blown air is exactly"fresh". I suspect Gored is right. But I'm not convinced of the protective powers of ordinachesp masks.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Did we even think about this before the pandemic? Colds, coughs, stomach bugs just happened didn`t they? Just a part of life we accepted.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Whilst the air supplied in an aircraft is not fresh in the sense of opening a car window in the Yorkshire Dales it is very clean. If you are bored:
https://www.aircraft.airbus.com/en/newsroom/news/2021-01-cabin-air-quality-key-to-a-comfortable-flight
But the air is very dry to protect the aircraft, so if you have it blowing across your face for a long period it is going to have a drying effect on areas you breathe in to. As to the effect on the human body it’s time for me to hand over to the medics on here.
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If you are truly concerned about not catching a cold, wear your ski goggles to avoid an aerosol borne virus from entering through your eyes - tear ducts. Wear your ski gloves so you don't touch a contaminated surface and then touch your face. Or just don't sit next to someone coughing and sneezing.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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Covid taught us that airplane cabins are not the Petri dishes we thought they were. And, that security lines are. Nearly everyone I know that travels internationally gets sick, whether they mask or not. My assumption is that there are different bugs in different places, and our immune systems haven't seen 'em all. That's life. I consider myself lucky to have the opportunity to get sick in this way!
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Also, don't lick the handrails.
(I'll get my coat)
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Perhaps on my next flight I might opt for going in with the luggage.
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airplane cabins are not the Petri dishes we thought they were. And, that security lines are.
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As are crowded lift queues, I guess!
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I find there is always someone coughing and sneezing in the hotel dining room, which is very inconsiderate when other people are on holiday. Maybe they should have stayed at home? I sometimes have a little tickle myself but I don't think it's infectious and probably just a minor cold.
Anyway, my strategy to avoid other people's germs in this situation is to wear a mask at all times whilst in the dining room, except when eating of course because that would be absolutely ridiculous and besides you can't catch other people's germs when you're eating a full meal. I am always careful to order a full meal as everyone knows that a light snack or drinks on their own are quite risky and will let germs in because of a reason.
Out and about is more difficult especially getting up the mountain, but I find that if I wear a mask and glower aggressively at those who don't, then no-one gets in the bubble with me anyway. I still wear the mask though and shut the windows, you never know what might get in!
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Yeah agreed that planes aren't as bad as other places. But I feel like the passport checks at passport control or the gate aren't great for passing germs around. The gate attendant checking your passport handled 100+ others before yours.
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| Origen wrote: |
| I don't thing that blown air is exactly"fresh". I suspect Gored is right. But I'm not convinced of the protective powers of ordinachesp masks. |
I think it is really just mixing with people from various parts of the UK & wider. Believe part of the reason to consume locally produced honey & not one from elsewhere is because of the localised health benefits.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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I am a transfer driver working out of GVA.
I wear a mask in the van when I have passengers. And also open the window when and where possible
Whilst I know that it won’t completely prevent me from catching viruses and the like, it must help to reduce the viral load thus mitigating any ill effects.
I have four months in which to earn and ski, so preventing any down time is important.
Also. I’m a dab hand at “doing an Alan Partridge” when visiting public toilets. See below for instructions.
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1KdVFSVorh/?mibextid=wwXIfr
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@Clarelisa, 
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You know it makes sense.
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@origen Give it a go. 
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Yes. I think we caught it in the Zürich arrivals hall; we were crammed like sardines with people coming from as far afield as Russia and Korea…
Last edited by Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: on Thu 26-02-26 23:50; edited 1 time in total
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Poster: A snowHead
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@Clarelisa, I was in a public loo today where I had to hold my handbag in my teeth as the only hook on the back of the door already had a toddler loo-seat hanging on it! But it was a very well kept, clean and pleasant place, so I forgave them - but still didn't fancy putting my bag on the floor.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@Origen, I never open a public loo door without a tissue or bit of bog roll.
Too many manky sods out there
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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We’re not clinically vulnerable at all or elderly. On flights to/from ski trips in January we feel we caught colds that lasted an age and made us feel like crap. On the flights we’d occasionally hear close by the mother of all uncovered sneezes. Very few folk will cancel a flight because they’re in the middle of a cold.
You can see why some nationals such as Japanese (even pre 2020) have often been pro masks in enclosed spaces.
It crossed my mind to do the same, to try to swerve another winter cold.
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I’ve got a nasty rash from the onsen
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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@Origen. Haha. This is very much part of my daily routine when in public toilets. The worst is buying a sandwich or coffee at Migros in the train station and then needing to use the loo in arrivals. Huge dilemma. 
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@GreenDay, With you there. “Manky sods”
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@GreenDay, With you there. “Manky sods”
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@Clarelisa,
You can say that again!
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@Bergmeister, Looks like I did.
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