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I haven't skied now since March 2023 due to a spinal problem which has finally been operated on last month. Consequently I haven't been on here much in the last couple of years as talking about not being able to ski wasn't going to do my head any good either.
Hopefully the problem is now solved and my reward for what will be a long physical rehabilitation through this year is being planned for early 2027.
Pretty sure I'll be going to one of my known resorts Zell am See/ Saalbach Hinterglemm/ Gurgl and was having a look at the planning as ideally I'll have a couple of trips. DIY and package prices for the holiday itself don't seem unreasonably higher than in '23
Then I thought to look at lift pass prices and got a bit of a shock. I happened to be on the Gurgl website when I looked where 6 days is now €432.50. From what I can see nothing substantial has been improved or added since my last trip there in March 19 when the 6 day was €272.50. Looks like they're just making up the money they lost during Covid?
Don't imagine there's going to be any good news solutions to be found so just having a moan. Don't mind paying more for more but almost 60% more for just the same is taking the proverbial?
ZamS and S/H are the same pass these days and slightly cheaper at €425. Striking me as better vfm especially as at least there has been substantial infrastructure spending there.
Gurgl perhaps feel they can justify a snowsure premium?
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Inflation alone explains over half the increase. Possibly more due to disproportionate increase in costs for power/snow making, and an increasing need for the latter.
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Bansko is £300
Alnost triple in 10 years
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You can get the whole Dolomiti Superski area for €436 (High Season) less 5% for booking in advance online. That strikes me as good value for money for the investment in new lifts and snowmaking. By contrast 6 days in Glenshee would be €260 but the economics are completely different.
Best deal I know of (they don't seem to do it any more) was the Galtür family pass: 6 days for 2 adults and all the children under 19 for about €700 in 2019. They did ask us to prove that they were all ours!
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That is the Otztal superpass, not just Gurgl, but that is still pretty ridiculous when you consider the Kitz Superski card is only €429 for 6 days, and covers at least 10 times the area that the Otztal pass does (including Zell Am Ze and Saalbach-hinterglemm).
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Via Lattea under €300 at peak times but no concessions. Decent value in thee times.
Will be honest, had to have a sit down at £1200 for our SkiCircus passes, was worth it though
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@Gored, wtf!!! You're right. I just checked it. 341 euro for 6 days in Bansko. Ridiculous. More expensive than Alpe d'Huez or Les Deux Alpes lol
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@Layne, I'll take your word for it but I'm comparing 2019 with now and the same calculator takes 272 to 352 so Gurgl are 80 ahead of inflation. My point being I can see no additional benefits, infrastructural or otherwise to the end user for that extra cost. @snowdave, may have a point about snowmaking costs but I can't imagine there's many resorts in Austria whom will have lower costs for that than Gurgl.
It's all moot as they're not going to go down but there's a limit that will eventually be tested. Tbh it's something I've not even bothered to check in the past but I will be now.
Last night I found an old 6 day pass for Zell am See from January 2006 costing €172.
A 2019 pass there was €252.
This season its €425.
When you put that into the inflation calculator
2006-2019 takes 172 to 232 so not too bad
2019-2026 takes 252 to 327 soon even bigger 98 of a difference there.
TBF to ZamS I can think of 6 major lift replacements or additions in Zell alone since 2006 which at least means the end user is getting something extra for their money albeit only one of these has been since 2019.
Gurgl on the other hand  I might email them and ask them for their views.
I could go on but it looks like they've both decided to recoup Covid losses the same way?
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My feeling is that lift pass prices in the eastern half of the Alps (Austria, eastern Italy) have shot up a lot more than the western end. My theory is that they have invested in snowmaking, whereas the western end haven't to the same extent. And the lifts systems in the east are a bit more modern too.
If you compare similar-size ski areas in the western Alps with those in the east, lift pass prices are much higher in the east. And accommodation often is too. It's why I haven't been skiing in Austria for a long time - I can't make it make sense financially over France, Italy or potentially even Switzerland.
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@robboj, sure I understand why picked gurgl and 2019. I just wanted to do my own comparison of somewhere I go over a longer timeframe. I was curious.
Your analysis above suggests gurgl maybe an outlier perhaps.
I think people are or have become aware of lift pass costs - been a lot of discussion last couple of years. Of course it's only part of the mix.
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@Layne, Yes interesting though about the 3 Vallées increase compared to Austria and certainly seems to validate @denfinella's point about an east/west split.
I would imagine if I did email Gurgl the response would include quite a lot of the word 'snowsure' but that just isn't going to cut it for me now tbh.
I'm thinking Saalbach 
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There have been complaints in the past about La Plagne not spending money on infrastructure but the Roche de Mio and Bellecote glacier development, among others, kinda debunks that.
Snowmaking - investing that seems a necessity and no brainer to me. But definella knows more about the smaller French resorts than I.
Another argument is that places like La Plagne keep upping the beds and the resorts are saturated, super busy and less fun. Are the prices in the East designed to prevent that.
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@Layne, from what I've heard, the pistes are pretty busy in the east as well.
There are still a lot of small French resorts which have zero or minimal snowmaking. The more maritime climate makes it less easy to produce enough snow for it to survive rain / thaw.
I skied at Le Semnoz in the Bauges last month. A dozen or so runs, OK lift system including a modern chondola. But no snowmaking except on a short baby slope. So a day lift pass is only €18.
Or at the other end of the scale, Les Sybelles is a big ski area but only has 50% snowmaking coverage.
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Skiing holidays have become very expensive again. Not much change from £300 - £400 per day if travelling out from the UK, once you got it all up.
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Downhill skiing is not a poor persons sport, from the UK.
Think of the £2-3k you saved by not skiing for the last couple of years. Use it to mentally subsidise the lift pass.
Forget all that; very best wishes for your recovery.
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One of the things that seems to have changed (at least in Tignes/Val) is the difference between daily/weekly passes and season passes. It used to be that the break even point was about 5 weeks a year, now it is not much more than 2 weeks. Crude sums mean that we pay about 46p per lift (we are both old and owners so get some concessions) which is very good value in my view. On the other hand an intermediate slope user on a daily pass who stops for coffee and lunch (we generally don’t) will pay anything up to £6 per lift.
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Doesn't impact OP but lift passes for children are usually a bit cheaper in Austria than France in my experience. 50% rather than about 80%. What always gets me is how little discount you get on multi day passes, I still pay on the day for us and it has saved me a significant amount of money on days that someone couldn't ski or it wasn't worth it.
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We now buy daily lift passes for the fair weather or “think I’ll give it a miss today Bank of Dad” folk in my family. Paying circa €375 for a VT, Ski Amade or Dolomiti pass, then seeing no-shows occur on repeat, was financial madness.
On the overriding point of the thread, ski holiday inflation since 2022 had risen well above general continental inflation, I have documented evidence of this on like for like facets.
But the big but on lift passes …. £60 a ski all day to do a sport we adore in stunning surroundings, is still worth every penny imho.
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Being and old f**t I cant afford to ski anywhere else but France these days as much as I love Italy. .. but along with the lift pas how about the ferry prices ...when I drove 10 years ago one way was £39 ...now its £100 ...even the tunnel is cheaper when they have a special offer
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Inflation in Austria from Jan 19 to Dec 25 is 33.1% according to Statistik Austria. That takes your €272.50 to €362.70. Then add in the fact lift companies tried to make back their covid losses, and you quite quickly get to where you're at now.
Don't even try to comprehend it vs what a season pass would cost you, it'll only make you more annoyed and/or upset!
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| denfinella wrote: |
My feeling is that lift pass prices in the eastern half of the Alps (Austria, eastern Italy) have shot up a lot more than the western end. My theory is that they have invested in snowmaking, whereas the western end haven't to the same extent. And the lifts systems in the east are a bit more modern too.
If you compare similar-size ski areas in the western Alps with those in the east, lift pass prices are much higher in the east. And accommodation often is too. It's why I haven't been skiing in Austria for a long time - I can't make it make sense financially over France, Italy or potentially even Switzerland. |
Exactly — for the week 5–10 April:
4 Vallées (Switzerland)
2 adults + 2 kids, 6 days: €1,172.89 (CHF 1,078)
3 Vallées: €1,340
Val Thorens: €1,164
Serfaus–Fiss–Ladis (with Guest Card): €1,174
Ischgl: €1,148 (VIP Pass — surprisingly cheaper)
Sölden: €1,326
Arlberg: €1,234
The 3 Vallées is more expensive, but you get around 500–600 km of slopes, and the lifts aren’t that old either.
Sure, heated chairlifts are nice — but in the end, I go skiing to ski. If I want to be warm and cozy, I’ll go to the sauna.
I don’t think this has much to do with newer lifts or infrastructure. In general, everything has become more expensive in Austria after Covid compared to other Alpine countries.
For example, in Zwieselstein (after Sölden) last October, the four of us paid about the same amount for dinner in a pizzeria as we did in Champéry.
The only thing that’s still cheap is the beer.
Unfotunately Austria is also a NO GO for us. And the bigest problem is that even the Appartment and the lift are high level, usually i have to drive to the lifts, find parking etc or take the bus compared to Ski in SKi out in France.
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| swskier wrote: |
Inflation in Austria from Jan 19 to Dec 25 is 33.1% according to Statistik Austria. That takes your €272.50 to €362.70. Then add in the fact lift companies tried to make back their covid losses, and you quite quickly get to where you're at now.
Don't even try to comprehend it vs what a season pass would cost you, it'll only make you more annoyed and/or upset! |
thats the point i think
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| turms2 wrote: |
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My feeling is that lift pass prices in the eastern half of the Alps (Austria, eastern Italy) have shot up a lot more than the western end. My theory is that they have invested in snowmaking, whereas the western end haven't to the same extent. And the lifts systems in the east are a bit more modern too.
If you compare similar-size ski areas in the western Alps with those in the east, lift pass prices are much higher in the east. And accommodation often is too. It's why I haven't been skiing in Austria for a long time - I can't make it make sense financially over France, Italy or potentially even Switzerland. |
Exactly — for the week 5–10 April:
4 Vallées (Switzerland)
2 adults + 2 kids, 6 days: €1,172.89 (CHF 1,078)
3 Vallées: €1,340
Val Thorens: €1,164
Serfaus–Fiss–Ladis (with Guest Card): €1,174
Ischgl: €1,148 (VIP Pass — surprisingly cheaper)
Sölden: €1,326
Arlberg: €1,234
The 3 Vallées is more expensive, but you get around 500–600 km of slopes, and the lifts aren’t that old either.
Sure, heated chairlifts are nice — but in the end, I go skiing to ski. If I want to be warm and cozy, I’ll go to the sauna.
I don’t think this has much to do with newer lifts or infrastructure. In general, everything has become more expensive in Austria after Covid compared to other Alpine countries.
For example, in Zwieselstein (after Sölden) last October, the four of us paid about the same amount for dinner in a pizzeria as we did in Champéry.
The only thing that’s still cheap is the beer.
Unfotunately Austria is also a NO GO for us. And the bigest problem is that even the Appartment and the lift are high level, usually i have to drive to the lifts, find parking etc or take the bus compared to Ski in SKi out in France. |
On the other hand, Kitz Superskicard (covers a ridiculous total area - 2,750Km of pistes in total) would come to 429 * 2(adults) + 213 * 2(kids) = €1,284
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| Peter S wrote: |
| Skiing holidays have become very expensive again. Not much change from £300 - £400 per day if travelling out from the UK, once you got it all up. |
£88 per day
https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=175421&start=80
My costings are not dissimilar - driving and S/C
Maybe it's that certain types of ski holiday (packages/hotels) or certain places have become expensive. But then again maybe the clientele are doing well for themselves - so for them it's fine....
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Skiing holidays have become very expensive again. Not much change from £300 - £400 per day if travelling out from the UK, once you got it all up.
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OK, we have just got back from a week's skiing in the Dolomites with Crystal Ski £1030 each. This included half board in a hotel, Super Dolomiti lift passes, and ski carriage. We spent £150 in the evening on drink each over the holiday and £110 on 6 lunches each. Add in £50 each for driving to and parking at the airport that comes to roughly £1360 or £230 per day. I cannot see what I can do to push it up by £70 a day.
Incidently, our usual prices are much like those of @Layne, but because we have our own apartment, have season passes and are old perhaps even less. The trick is - drive, self cater, and share the costs between 3 or 4 of you. And of course don't go out drinking in the evening or at least write that off as a non skiing outlay.
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That's without food & drink. It wouldn't be much extra if you are SC and take sandwiches and bottled water up the slopes and don't have coffee stops or eat out. On New Year's Day in Corvara this season with Mrs.tsgsh, where the routine requires a morning coffee (50cl water, 1 cappucino, 1 espresso) and lunch (2 meals, 1 50cl beer, 1 50cl water), that's another £49.60 before we'd finished skiing.
It's all about what you want from a holiday, and when you are able to go and how much you can afford to spend to get what you want. I found that with 7 of us, constrained to go over New Year next year, needing 4 rooms to avoid intrafamily warfare, SC + DIY travel was no cheaper than a half-board hotel package, and that's a basic £200pp/day plus-lift pass, lunches, drinks bills at about £100pp/day to go anywhere with "sufficiently varied" skiing without a significant risk of no snow. We could have done it cheaper by hiring two cars (I couldn't find a workable minibus hire option) and driving from a somewhat remote apartment but the logistical challenges involved in that, and having to cater, didn't seem worth it for a top-line saving of between 10% and 15%.
Of course, if you aren't stuck with a particularly high demand week and you all want to ski the same slopes at the same speed at the same time and are flexible about location, and you all fit in one apartment and stay out ofbars and restaurants then it will be much easier to save money.
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@robboj, if you're recovering from a serious operation then perhaps you don't want to bake in skiing every day.
There are options to pay as you go so that you don't waste money on a day off. I've used the following two but I'm sure there are others too.
https://www.skialacarte.fr/gb/
https://www.skiogrande.com/
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@Orange200, thank you and I like your thinking. By the time I factor in the O/H skiing costs that have also been saved it certainly goes a long way. Three years missed at one or sometimes two trips per season is well into five figures!
It's pretty clear that almost everywhere has got a lot dearer in the last few years. Whatever the actual reasons Covid has certainly provided an excuse.
Ski holidays have never been a 'poor mans' pastime but I think most of us on here are of an age where in general the cost was a feature of rather than a factor in the holiday.
It's clear that angle may be changing for us but the resorts seem busier than ever?
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@tsgsh, Personally I don't spend any more on food & drink than I do at home. But I appreciate that for many people S/C is not a holiday. "Eating out" whether that be mountain restaurants or catered accommodation is discretionary spend and can bump up costs massively.
My point really to Peter S was because he was quoting £300 - £400 a day. Which it certainly can be. But it can also be less than £100 a day and everything in between.
Note: there are other costs which could be added in. Driving means wear and tear on the car, we couldn't do it without roof bars and roof box, snow chains. And then there are equipment costs. Depends how deep you want to go with this stuff.
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| denfinella wrote: |
My feeling is that lift pass prices in the eastern half of the Alps (Austria, eastern Italy) have shot up a lot more than the western end. My theory is that they have invested in snowmaking, whereas the western end haven't to the same extent. And the lifts systems in the east are a bit more modern too.
If you compare similar-size ski areas in the western Alps with those in the east, lift pass prices are much higher in the east. And accommodation often is too. It's why I haven't been skiing in Austria for a long time - I can't make it make sense financially over France, Italy or potentially even Switzerland. |
Exactly — for the week 5–10 April:
4 Vallées (Switzerland)
2 adults + 2 kids, 6 days: €1,172.89 (CHF 1,078)
3 Vallées: €1,340
Val Thorens: €1,164
Serfaus–Fiss–Ladis (with Guest Card): €1,174
Ischgl: €1,148 (VIP Pass — surprisingly cheaper)
Sölden: €1,326
Arlberg: €1,234
The 3 Vallées is more expensive, but you get around 500–600 km of slopes, and the lifts aren’t that old either.
Sure, heated chairlifts are nice — but in the end, I go skiing to ski. If I want to be warm and cozy, I’ll go to the sauna.
I don’t think this has much to do with newer lifts or infrastructure. In general, everything has become more expensive in Austria after Covid compared to other Alpine countries.
For example, in Zwieselstein (after Sölden) last October, the four of us paid about the same amount for dinner in a pizzeria as we did in Champéry.
The only thing that’s still cheap is the beer.
Unfotunately Austria is also a NO GO for us. And the bigest problem is that even the Appartment and the lift are high level, usually i have to drive to the lifts, find parking etc or take the bus compared to Ski in SKi out in France. |
On the other hand, Kitz Superskicard (covers a ridiculous total area - 2,750Km of pistes in total) would come to 429 * 2(adults) + 213 * 2(kids) = €1,284 |
i suppose you mean the Salzburg Super Ski Card?
never concider buying this for 6 days etc, because with two weeks skiing, you almost reach the early bird discoung for the Season Card. Otherwise it is so.
But generally speaking Salzburg is not so expensive as Tirol and Vorarlberg.
Zb 6 days for 2 +2 ski amade = 1092 Euro vs 1.114 in Zillertal
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It's all about value for money as far as I am concerned. The boy and I will be in La Tzoumaz soon and will have 4 Vallee passes for four days. Total cost is £390...so call it £100 a day
We will ski from first lift (8:45am) to about 4:30pm...so for 7 hours if you take the lunch break out. The cost of our skiing with therefore be roughly £14 per hour....to be in the mountains, in a huge varied ski area, having a great time with friends and family and doing something really enjoyable.
In school holidays he really likes the trampoline parks and they are £12 an hour plus a coffee for me while I wait. I'd rather we were both doing something that we really enjoy together....in a much more beautiful setting.
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| denfinella wrote: |
My feeling is that lift pass prices in the eastern half of the Alps (Austria, eastern Italy) have shot up a lot more than the western end. My theory is that they have invested in snowmaking, whereas the western end haven't to the same extent. And the lifts systems in the east are a bit more modern too.
If you compare similar-size ski areas in the western Alps with those in the east, lift pass prices are much higher in the east. And accommodation often is too. It's why I haven't been skiing in Austria for a long time - I can't make it make sense financially over France, Italy or potentially even Switzerland. |
Exactly — for the week 5–10 April:
4 Vallées (Switzerland)
2 adults + 2 kids, 6 days: €1,172.89 (CHF 1,078)
3 Vallées: €1,340
Val Thorens: €1,164
Serfaus–Fiss–Ladis (with Guest Card): €1,174
Ischgl: €1,148 (VIP Pass — surprisingly cheaper)
Sölden: €1,326
Arlberg: €1,234
The 3 Vallées is more expensive, but you get around 500–600 km of slopes, and the lifts aren’t that old either.
Sure, heated chairlifts are nice — but in the end, I go skiing to ski. If I want to be warm and cozy, I’ll go to the sauna.
I don’t think this has much to do with newer lifts or infrastructure. In general, everything has become more expensive in Austria after Covid compared to other Alpine countries.
For example, in Zwieselstein (after Sölden) last October, the four of us paid about the same amount for dinner in a pizzeria as we did in Champéry.
The only thing that’s still cheap is the beer.
Unfotunately Austria is also a NO GO for us. And the bigest problem is that even the Appartment and the lift are high level, usually i have to drive to the lifts, find parking etc or take the bus compared to Ski in SKi out in France. |
On the other hand, Kitz Superskicard (covers a ridiculous total area - 2,750Km of pistes in total) would come to 429 * 2(adults) + 213 * 2(kids) = €1,284 |
i suppose you mean the Salzburg Super Ski Card?
never concider buying this for 6 days etc, because with two weeks skiing, you almost reach the early bird discoung for the Season Card. Otherwise it is so.
But generally speaking Salzburg is not so expensive as Tirol and Vorarlberg.
Zb 6 days for 2 +2 ski amade = 1092 Euro vs 1.114 in Zillertal |
I thought that was a different card, but it seems not. Just a different name for the same pass.
https://www.superskicard.com/en/superskicard.html
https://www.kitzbueheler-alpen.com/en/kam/wi/ski/superskicard.html
It covers 4 ski areas in Tirol, plus one which crosses the boundary between Tirol and Salzburgerland. And then several more in Salzburgerland and a cople in other areas.
And yes, two weeks would be getting close to season pass prices, though it is three weeks before the season ticket would actually be less.
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| majkkali wrote: |
| @Gored, wtf!!! You're right. I just checked it. 341 euro for 6 days in Bansko. Ridiculous. More expensive than Alpe d'Huez or Les Deux Alpes lol |
For 50km of pistes? If that? They still count the closed slopes that were destroyed some years ago as part of the ski area!
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| majkkali wrote: |
| @Gored, wtf!!! You're right. I just checked it. 341 euro for 6 days in Bansko. Ridiculous. More expensive than Alpe d'Huez or Les Deux Alpes lol |
For 50km of pistes? If that? They still count the closed slopes that were destroyed some years ago as part of the ski area! |
boaaaaa...341 Euro in Bansko....
And probably 1 Hour waiting to take the gondel...
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this has worked out for me this season in the 3 valleys, had 2 separate weeks booked, my youngest daughter coming with me on both trips.
there was an offer with les menuires, by joining the "sports club" at 12 euros each, we could get a reduced price season pass. with my daughter being 19yo, she qualified as a youth instead of an over 16yo adult.
so it made financial sense to buy season passes for both of us, as it worked out break even, or less, for both of us for the two weeks. i am now also staying an extra week in march with friends at les menuires (after family trip to VT), so in essence my lift pass is free for that week.
may even have a cheeky late season solo trip if the stars align 
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@terrygasson, so be we can see how the model works for the resorts. It sucks people in and they eventually spend more money, at least in an individual resort.
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If you have a "couple of trips", you could consider multi-resort discounted passes, like Ski a la Carte, Skiogrande (both PAYG passes for a selection of French resorts), Magic Pass (season pass for dozens of small to mid-sized Swiss resorts and some French ones), and possibly many others that I'm not aware of!
For example, with 8 days in Serre Chevalier done + 6 in Les Arcs planned, Ski A La Carte should save me about 100€ this season vs. list price.
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