 Poster: A snowHead
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Not too bad at Geneva tonight, no EES still but 45-50 mins to get through security and pick up bags. Can’t sniff at that.
Pickup belt is knackered again though so all the bags had been brought through and dumped.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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@JDL65, you are absolutely right that the EES machine has to request this information each time one enters Schengen.
But on the twice I have done so (Geneva, December; Venice, January) the unmanned machines haven’t been the rate-limiting step. It’s the human part of the process that is painful.
Entering Venice I tried to go through the egates after the ‘are you flush enough’ machine. Rumour said the egates needed a new, blue passport. The manually operated passport stamping was painful with photographs to be taken etc.
Leaving Venice yesterday, straight through egates and a quick stamp of the passport. Doddle.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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Leaving lyon airport yesterday there was one queue for "all passports" over 18s with British passports were then told to go in a separate queue and use egates that only scanned your passport. Ignored that command and stayed in the "all passport" queue and went straight through with a smile and a passport stamp. All this talk of mandatory fingerprint and photo taking is nonsense imo. This is only happening if you voluntarily use one of the pre registration machines which you do not need to do...
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| sgt_tackleberry wrote: |
| All this talk of mandatory fingerprint and photo taking is nonsense imo. This is only happening if you voluntarily use one of the pre registration machines which you do not need to do... |
Thanks for letting us know you have no idea about the laws regarding entry to the EU.
While I wouldn't be surprised to see it delayed, the current intention is that it will be fully operational by the end of April.
If it is delayed, that is likely to only be a few months, and then it WILL be mandatory.
Your talk of what was happening on leaving is completely irrelevant, since it is on entry that you need to register if you aren't already.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| sgt_tackleberry wrote: |
| All this talk of mandatory fingerprint and photo taking is nonsense imo. This is only happening if you voluntarily use one of the pre registration machines which you do not need to do... |
Thanks for letting us know you have no idea about the laws regarding entry to the EU.
While I wouldn't be surprised to see it delayed, the current intention is that it will be fully operational by the end of April.
If it is delayed, that is likely to only be a few months, and then it WILL be mandatory.
Your talk of what was happening on leaving is completely irrelevant, since it is on entry that you need to register if you aren't already. |
It has already been announced that full.implementation has been delayed until sept, who knows what will happen after that
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EES Innsbruck today
Check-in was staged/managed.
2x Gatwick flights, Bristol, Edinburgh, Birmingham & Manchester all within 90mins window.
I heard the marshal saying checkin opens in 10mins, 40mins, etc. depending on destination.
Once through security, the EES queue was really short & not much of a wait.
Dunno what I think about the idea of controlling check-in. It penalises people arriving promptly & allowing extra time for EES - which is what they ask you to do.
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Turin was painful this evening. Everyone coming off the plane (except families with kids) were put in a holding queue to use facial recognition and fingerprint machines. We then rejoined the families with kids on the floor below for a ‘manual check’. It took 90mins from disembarking the plane to reaching the luggage carousel. What a drag.
This was significantly longer than the 20-30mins at Innsbruck at Christmas.
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| Gored wrote: |
EES Innsbruck today
Check-in was staged/managed.
2x Gatwick flights, Bristol, Edinburgh, Birmingham & Manchester all within 90mins window.
I heard the marshal saying checkin opens in 10mins, 40mins, etc. depending on destination.
Once through security, the EES queue was really short & not much of a wait.
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there shouldn't be any EES outbound, so what was that about?
It should just be passport control, where they scan (and currently stamp) your passport.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
| Gored wrote: |
EES Innsbruck today
Check-in was staged/managed.
2x Gatwick flights, Bristol, Edinburgh, Birmingham & Manchester all within 90mins window.
I heard the marshal saying checkin opens in 10mins, 40mins, etc. depending on destination.
Once through security, the EES queue was really short & not much of a wait.
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there shouldn't be any EES outbound, so what was that about?
It should just be passport control, where they scan (and currently stamp) your passport. |
At Verona there is a row of EES machines as you pass through passport control to get to the gates. They weren't being used on Saturday but I can't see why they would have been installed if it wasn't the intention to use them outbound.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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| alex_heney wrote: |
there shouldn't be any EES outbound, so what was that about?
It should just be passport control, where they scan (and currently stamp) your passport. |
EES is the Entry/Exit System. It is fundamental to the way it is intended to operate that there is a record of who leaves, so the 90 day restriction can be actively enforced, and the passport stamping can be stopped.
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| ousekjarr wrote: |
| alex_heney wrote: |
there shouldn't be any EES outbound, so what was that about?
It should just be passport control, where they scan (and currently stamp) your passport. |
EES is the Entry/Exit System. It is fundamental to the way it is intended to operate that there is a record of who leaves, so the 90 day restriction can be actively enforced, and the passport stamping can be stopped. |
Which should just mean using an egate to leave, not going to a booth and then through an egate.
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You know it makes sense.
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If that particular airport has e-Gates.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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Currently the EES system means your facial image and fingerprints are taken at exit AND your passport stamped. The stamping bit should stop sometime towards the end of the year. Both times I've left Italy since EES was introduced there have been short queues for the manual stamping, largely caused by children being manually checked.
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Poster: A snowHead
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If you have entered during this interim period without having registered for EES, there will come a time when you try to exit and EES is active in your exit location, in which case you will have to register before you can leave. The reason they are off for now is that exit enforcement is not currently active, as this phase concentrates on entry and on trying to get to the point where the majority of passengers are already on the system.
It would be interesting to see how that is progressing - from an initial 0%, they must now have accurate data on what percentage of people passing through the eGates are already registered on EES. At this point it may be as low as (or maybe lower than) 10% and likely no more than 20% as most people take their only winter holiday, so it is only the business travellers and those taking multiple leisure trips who _might_ already have registered, if they passed through an entry point where EES was active. That probably has to reach 80% or so before they can consider having the machines on at all times and in all places, and of course those travelling through major hubs like Paris, Amsterdam, Frankfurt and Munich are likely at a much higher percentage than those via Innsbruck, Verona, etc where the traffic is primarily people on holiday. I do wonder how much data they had to model the rollout process and the likely queues - they have the passport scans of course, but that alone is not enough to predict queues and general traffic levels per day or hour.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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Salzburg has just passport stamping on exit at the moment.
Also on arrival at Salzburg there were lots of e-machines in a separate building and passport stamping and very short queues. I didn't queue for the e-machines and went straight to a manned booth where my fingerprints were taken as well as a photo and my passport was stamped, all of which I'd done at Zurich a couple of weeks erlier.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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| alex_heney wrote: |
there shouldn't be any EES outbound, so what was that about?
It should just be passport control, where they scan (and currently stamp) your passport. |
As long as people are on the system.
Overheard some people saying they did not do EES on entry.
I only had my photo taken & passport stamped. No fingerprints (like inbound - so guess I am fully registered).
Is a passport enough proof when everything is going 2 factors? My guess is the photo is also biometric markers + fingerprints as a backup (incase you arrive with a nasty head wound for example?).
Usually you cant use one twice. So passport + one of the biometrics.
Something you have (passport). Something you are (biometrics).
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| ousekjarr wrote: |
| alex_heney wrote: |
there shouldn't be any EES outbound, so what was that about?
It should just be passport control, where they scan (and currently stamp) your passport. |
EES is the Entry/Exit System. It is fundamental to the way it is intended to operate that there is a record of who leaves, so the 90 day restriction can be actively enforced, and the passport stamping can be stopped. |
Yes, but all that needs is a scan of your passport.
While they are still stamping them, that can be done at the same time, by the official in the booth.
When they stop stamping them, they will have e-gates just the same as the ones for entry at most airports. And those do check that your face matches the one in the passport.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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And when you try to leave and have not yet registered on EES? That's what the kiosks are for.
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@alex_heney, At the moment EES is hit & miss in it either working or being in operation.
We are beta testing it! We will still have our passport scanned & stamped. With EES we will also have our biometrics checked to prove we are who our passport says we are. Maybe once ETIAS comes in we can use e-gates & the process is automated.
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Travelling to the S22BB via Venice Marco Polo: on entry, I used the EES kiosk which read my passport then took my photo and my fingerprints. Then to the manned booth for a passport stamp. On exit, I was directed to the e-Gate and then the booth where my passport was stamped
On my next trip (to Milan in April) I guess I’ll use e-gates for entry and exit but I don’t know whether the passport stamping will still be needed
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I don’t know whether the passport stamping will still be needed
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Passport stamping will be needed until every entry and exit, at every border point is using EES 100% of the time - otherwise they will not have a way of checking the 90 in 180 without laboriously checking passport stamps against an incomplete EES record.
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No sign of EES at Calais this morning. Then again the French Passport agent didn’t look to find my entry stamp as his colleague had stamped it 10 empty pages on from the rest of the well ordered French stamps!
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Zero EES delay in either direction at Helsinki, out 28/1 in 8/2
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snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
snowHeads are a friendly bunch.
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The kiosks were turned off and no EES processing at CDG Terminal 2E yesterday. Typical madhouse at 6:30am with all the flights from Africa and Asia (and Atlanta) arriving at the same time. Thankful for Access 1 Sky Priority, through in 10 minutes - eGate and stamp only.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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We departed Tenerife (TFS) yesterday with Jet2. The aircraft was about ½ hour late arriving because of a very strong headwind on the way down. The departures board noted the delay and wouldn't say which gate other than it began with 'C'. Our mistake was not to go and find the C's which are way off to the right as you enter the gate area. Eventually the board gave the gate number but with the original departure time. Cue hoards quickly looking for C36 which was, along with all the other C's, behind about 8 e-gates. We dutifully queued, and queued some more as each gate took nearly 5 minutes to process a single passenger. Maybe someone somewhere is having to manually accept each one - I don't know. The poor woman trying to get everyone through was becoming ever more stressed. This was not helped by the glass gates which closed so quickly that sometimes peoples' rucksacks would get caught. The woman was giving a gentle push to those she thought might not get through. Unfortunately, this didn't help one young woman who bent down to push her case forwards only for the gates to close round her head! I'm not sure if she was badly hurt but she was clearly shocked and ended up still behind the gates while her bag was already through. I though that everyone was very calm and stoical but I'm sure it wouldn't take much more for it to end in a riot.
Beta testing?
I'd suggest that this is more like the alpha stage yet it is still being foisted on the customer.
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A bit slow in Turin. Looked like families with children were put into a normal queue for stamping. Adults are put into the registration queue. Very jealous of the Irish flight that went straight to the E! Gates!
We were in the family queue so it was prob 30 mins max.
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You know it makes sense.
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EES machines all turned off at Geneva this afternoon. Passport queue was about 10/15 minutes, so it was a good result.
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Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:
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EES all active in Salzburg today (wasn't operational 4 weeks ago). Only took about 30 mins to get through. Little children struggling to stay still enough for the photo appeared to be the main cause of delays. Would have welcomed a separate queue for those with children who needed to be accompanied through 
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Poster: A snowHead
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| 7ncj wrote: |
| EES all active in Salzburg today (wasn't operational 4 weeks ago). Only took about 30 mins to get through. Little children struggling to stay still enough for the photo appeared to be the main cause of delays. Would have welcomed a separate queue for those with children who needed to be accompanied through |
I went through there two weeks ago and it was operational. Didn’t take too long though, plenty of machines. We didn’t have to do anything on the way out last week though, whereas with Geneva in December we didn’t have to on the way in, but had to do fingerprints on the way out.
All feels a bit random at the minute.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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No EES at Geneva Saturday past, the airport was running pretty smoothly though! It was a later flight but zero issues getting checked in or through security and all bags were waiting for us at the other end.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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What has ZRH been like for Saturday morning arrivals for EES registration? Thanks.
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Heading back to the UK from Rotterdam yesterday evening the fingerprint exit check wasn’t working and we had to remind the Dutch border control staff to stamp our passports
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40 minute delay for wife entering Portugal because there was no stamp for entering Spain at the new year ...as we used the EES...
Then 45 mins delay for me ,"leaving" Portugal because there was no stamp ..lol
it's a farce already..EES not recording...
6 weeks until they have to use it fully... Ain't happening..
On the upside only took us 40 minutes at the visa place in Manchester..
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| dak64 wrote: |
| What has ZRH been like for Saturday morning arrivals for EES registration? Thanks. |
Arrived around 2 on Saturday and took us 1.5hrs. Exactly the same wait through self service and standard queue. Not great but I’ve heard worse. This was the big half term Saturday though so lots of families
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@yorkshirelad, aren't you supposed to get the stamp after EES at the moment?
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Random question, we entered the EU using Irish passports as didn’t want to risk EES delays on a busy half term Saturday. As we are leaving on Friday (presumably quieter), and have our UK passports with us, has anyone managed to get EES registration done while EXITING the EU?
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| gilo wrote: |
| Random question, we entered the EU using Irish passports as didn’t want to risk EES delays on a busy half term Saturday. As we are leaving on Friday (presumably quieter), and have our UK passports with us, has anyone managed to get EES registration done while EXITING the EU? |
Why bother? Would you not always want to travel on the Irish passport when entering/exiting the EU? I can see no reason or benefit to registering the UK passport? And count me as envious of your dual citizenship status, I wish I had a path to qualify for an Irish (or any other EU) passport.
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