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I think she hit the gate because she took a higher line there than everybody else to avoid the only rough section that produced chattering. NBC (US TV) began their rebroadcast of the event by telling us she had crashed--I want to kill them for it--but then I decided to guess where it would go wrong for her. I guessed right. Anyhow: way to go Breezy!!!
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Just watched “as live”. Didn’t know what was going to happen. Looked totally horrific on first view and haven’t watched it again. Chemmie seemed close to tears commentating on it afterwards.
I’m not a knee specialist but the real concern will be damage to the partial knee replacement she had as that could be tricky to put right - hopefully it is to the other knee/leg.
Was it worth it?- clearly not but that’s with the benefit of the “retrospectroscope” which is always 100% accurate.
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I'm surprise the gate seemed to have no real give - is that not dangerous? I mean she seems to have been pulled down by her pole catching the gate.
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@8611, it’s abit like water. At that speed it’s solid.
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@under a new name, 
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@8611, the flag part that her arm goes through is Velcro'd on, that's what's caused her to twist out of position
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| swskier wrote: |
| @8611, the flag part that her arm goes through is Velcro'd on, that's what's caused her to twist out of position |
....and if I understood the first post on this page correctly, the reason she took that riskier line in the first place, was to protect her injury.
Everything is connected, it would seem.
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@Old Fartbag, I find it interesting that a win would've changed your mind, so you're open to the idea that it was smart to race ...but an accident which wasn't caused by her knee is enough to keep you down the "I told you so" line
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| SnoodyMcFlude wrote: |
| @Old Fartbag, I find it interesting that a win would've changed your mind, so you're open to the idea that it was smart to race ...but an accident which wasn't caused by her knee is enough to keep you down the "I told you so" line |
My view is that the wisdom of the decision is ultimately borne out by the result.
I completely understand and respect the decision to race....while still being very uneasy with the amount of risk it involved. ie. Almost a cognitive dissonance, if you like.
If she had ended up on the podium, I would have put that down to me being overly cautious and not being party to the decision making. ie. I am open to being wrong. As it is.....
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@8611, it sure can be, as you saw. As a general rule DHers don't want to hit gates. SL racers are much slower, yet have armor and hit hinged gates. DHers haul ass and have neither.
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Pity I'm fascinated to know how she would have gotten on. Although looking at her recent results it is clear she would have been there or thereabouts.
I have to wonder is is this really the end? I mean if she was able to beat and match the best in the world a couple of weeks ago I wouldn't rule anything out (present diagnosis pending).
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@Old Fartbag, I am going to agreeably disagree with you. Vonn has demonstrated time after time that her mental strength would easily conquer any post injury nerves.
If she felt (and demonstrated in training) that she could do it, she was absolutely right to continue.
The knee had no more excess impact than anything else.
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@under a new name, here here. Totally agree.
She took and agressive line to maximise speed out of the corner and clipped the gate. She had every right to be there, she wasn't making up the numbers. I firmly believe that she had at least a podium in her today. But alas.
Not sure we'll see her back though.
Hope she's ok.
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You know it makes sense.
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| under a new name wrote: |
@Old Fartbag, I am going to agreeably disagree with you. Vonn has demonstrated time after time that her mental strength would easily conquer any post injury nerves.
If she felt (and demonstrated in training) that she could do it, she was absolutely right to continue.
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That is perfectly fine....as there is/was no absolute right way to go....It was her call; her risk to take....and it will be she who deals with the injury.
If she had pulled out, that decision would also have been respected (imo).
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Vonn's right knee seems to have been working well for some time. As for the left knee since the Crans crash a) there has been film of her doing what looks like punishing (for the knees) training in the last week without any visible problem b) she has said there was no pain or swelling and c) she has said that she was confident with the brace on. In HER eyes, therefore, she was not taking any extra risks over and above those already inherent in this mad sport. I am therefore content, rather than continuing to read this pointless and ever more entrenched speculation, to wait and see what she herself says caused her to crash. I hope she might say why she took that line so very close to the gate.
Presumably if she had had any concerns herself about the dangers of causing irreparable damage to the reconstructed knee, she would never have returned to skiing at all after the operation, let alone competed today..
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Poster: A snowHead
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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| gixxerniknik wrote: |
@Old Fartbag,
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If she had pulled out, that decision would also have been respected
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if she'd have pulled out leading the world standings, there is not a racer of any disciplione that would have understanded it. She is leading the DH. Non racers might sympathise, but no racer would. |
You may be correct...however, racers also understand risk, injury and the impact of age. They understand the impact a serious injury can have. They will know what decision / risk they themselves would take in the same scenario, but imo would also respect and not second guess the judgement of Vonn, if that was her decision. They would know a decision like that would not be made lightly or without good reason.
Anyway, she raced, she fell and may have a nasty injury.....and I truly hope LV makes a full recovery. At that level, she would probably prefer to race and fail, than not to try.
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@Old Fartbag, "If she had pulled out, that decision would also have been respected (imo)."
I agree.
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@gixxerniknik,
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s there a word...understanded?
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No. (Try 'understood')
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racers also understand risk, injury and the impact of age
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They just ignore it, or there would be no races.
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@Old Fartbag,
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would also respect and not second guess the judgement of Vonn
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Exactly
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| under a new name wrote: |
@Old Fartbag, "If she had pulled out, that decision would also have been respected (imo)."
I agree. |
also agreed
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| gixxerniknik wrote: |
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racers also understand risk, injury and the impact of age
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They just ignore it, or there would be no races. |
That's a ridiculous generalisation.
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| gixxerniknik wrote: |
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racers also understand risk, injury and the impact of age
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They just ignore it, or there would be no races. |
...and also no retirements from the top level of racing.
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@KSH,
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That's a ridiculous generalisation.
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No, not really. I'm also a biker that does track days. We all understand risk. But if we took much notice of it there would be no races, no bikers and no skiers. We blank these things off because we love doing what we do.
Without the adrenaline, there is no point. You might like to disagree, abnd please do, but We'll have to agree to disagree.
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@KSH, a lot of people had been thrown low in the corner, sacrificing the next one. I'd have thought that all advice would be to try and stay close to the gate to open up the next corner and increase speed. I was watching at home and every time the commentators mentioned people being thrown off line there I wondered why the messages wasn't getting across to those in the start hut
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@SnoodyMcFlude, yeah. But I'd still love to hear what she says.
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I knew about the accident earlier, but I have just caught up on the action and seen the accident. I did not expect to be so emotional about it, but the sounds of LV and her obvious pain were horrific. I did have to leave the room.
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You know it makes sense.
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I do hope she's OK. I keep anxiously looking for an update. 
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| KSH wrote: |
| I do hope she's OK. I keep anxiously looking for an update. |
BBC coverage says she broke her leg, didn’t say which one, had surgery and is stable.
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Poster: A snowHead
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Left leg according to Chemmy on fb
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| ster wrote: |
| KSH wrote: |
| I do hope she's OK. I keep anxiously looking for an update. |
BBC coverage says she broke her leg, didn’t say which one, had surgery and is stable. |
A broken leg, while really painful (I have experienced it), is likely to be more straightforward in the long run, than further knee complications.
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| Old Fartbag wrote: |
| gixxerniknik wrote: |
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racers also understand risk, injury and the impact of age
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They just ignore it, or there would be no races. |
...and also no retirements from the top level of racing. |
They retire because they’re not fast enough. If they aren’t fast enough in the first place then they don’t even get to race. DH is all about going as fast as they dare all of the time. Complete legends what Vonnie has done since she came back is truly remarkable on so many levels. She could have clipped the flag at any of the other races. It is what it is and she will think the same. I just hope she can walk.
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She said she retired originally because the pain of racing on her knee pre reconstruction was too much, with the successful treatment she had on that and her love for the sport it's not surprising she came back. You see the same in other sports (Andy Murray competing on his metal hip, though he wasn't quite the same player). Makes her return all the more amazing because she really got to the very top of the game again.
I think elite sportspeople across all sports retire for a range of reasons including pain, changing mindset, increasing inconsistency, worry about the future, perception of risk etc etc. She sorted out her pain and got consistent again, clearly her mindset was there, the season was a dream up to these last few weeks. I hope she has a straightforward recovery and looks on this year with pride!
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@Badbobby,
No it isn't. Every move is thought out. They don't just throw themselves down without thought. She will have analysed her mistake and I'm interested to hear that analysis, not so much random guesswork by others.
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@belette, totally agreed
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I mean the outcome is what it is. Clearly they plot it to the mm. Watching the race, it was obvious quickly that you needed to start fast as it was impossible to make up time in the second half. Sadly, a huge number of them suffer massive injuries in their careers. Just listening to the commentary of the full race, a number of the ladies were recovering from breaks/tears etc from just last season. It’s an occupational hazard that they are comfortable with.
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@Badbobby, er, yes. It's a dangerous sport.
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Per the BBC:
“ The hospital issued a statement which said she had undergone "orthopedic surgery to stabilize the fracture she sustained in her left leg" - the same leg with the torn ACL.”
While helpfully adding  :
“ while also being entered in the super-G and team events.
It is now unlikely she will compete in those, meaning her Olympic career has almost certainly come to a devastating end.”
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Looks like she might be "lucky" and the brace protected her left knee.
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