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85-95mm light (1200g?) touring ski recommendations?

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Blizzard Zero G 95: Anyone skied these? Seems they are stiff and light. New version has a bit more rocker to make them a bit more accessible, although still looks minimal to me?



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That said, the problem of having too many touring skis is which ones to take on any given day......
Which is why I only have 2 pairs, one if I'm thinking powder or crud/crust (Wailer 112) and one for guaranteed (?) spring/corn snow, or if it's going to be a real long day, 1000 or + (Superguide 105)
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BobinCH wrote:
Anyone skied these? Seems they are stiff and light. New version has a bit more rocker to make them a bit more accessible, although still looks minimal to me?



My mate absolutely loves them : but only in firm or spring conditions.

The problem with stiff and light is they get deflected in choppy or soft snow. For soft snow he prefers Salomon MTN explore. There is school of thought that making light skis that are (too) stiff not always a good thing.
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@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles. These look like they could double for a long day / mixed snow tour. The DPS Pagoda Tour 112’s I got are fabulous for pow touring so soft snow performance not a priority.
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@BobinCH,

Probably not much use, but I skied the Zero G 85’s for about four seasons. Great in hard snow/ice and pretty good in powder but not ideal in anything else. I think the 95 has a similar rep. I switched to the Volkl Rise above 88’s which I love and are a similar weight to the Zero G 95’s. They ski brilliantly in everything. I am a bit of a Volkl fanboy though.

Having said that, I think both skis are too heavy for the PDG but then we are all different Eh oh!

Cheers
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As an aside, I’m planning on entering the Skimara at the end of March so am also looking for a skiable but light race ski. If you come across anything that’s not a piece of racing spaghetti but comes in at less than 1kg a ski I’d be interested.

I’m guessing the PDG is timed in the descent?
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zzz wrote:
@BobinCH,

Probably not much use, but I skied the Zero G 85’s for about four seasons. Great in hard snow/ice and pretty good in powder but not ideal in anything else. I think the 95 has a similar rep. I switched to the Volkl Rise above 88’s which I love and are a similar weight to the Zero G 95’s. They ski brilliantly in everything. I am a bit of a Volkl fanboy though.

Having said that, I think both skis are too heavy for the PDG but then we are all different Eh oh!

Cheers


Ooh nice. Slightly shorter radius and a bit lighter. What length did you get? Thanks!
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I’m on the 170’s. I’m 175cm and 63-65kg. They seemed a bit short when I first bought them but I wouldn’t go any longer now.
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BobinCH wrote:
@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles.


I hear you!

I reckon zero-g would be great light touring ski (for a spring haute route). For PDG I might be tempted to rent / buy / borrow some proper "misery sticks". Though if going full rando man then 1kg boots would be essential. Ski-mo not my area of expertise - bon chance!

Fwiw : The PDG finish line was outside my front door when I lived in Verbier. Back then a few tail-enders still raced on fritschi bindings! Swiss army also played hide and seek with my car and relocated it from finish zone to a secret location up by the swimming pool for me to find.
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zzz wrote:
I’m on the 170’s. I’m 175cm and 63-65kg. They seemed a bit short when I first bought them but I wouldn’t go any longer now.


Ok i guess I’d be 177 at 180cm and 85kg, maybe even 184 if they are easy skiing? Sound easier to ski than the Zero-G’s which is good and would be happy to return to Volkl skis having had a love-in with Kuro/Shiro range a few years back. I remember very well built and durable skis.

For your racing seems there is a carbon version « Rise High » that is even lighter although not quite 1000g
https://www.sport-conrad.com/en/products/voelkl/rise-high-88.html


I’m only doing the short version so this is enough of a weight saving. Was planning to do it on the DPS Skis but they are a bit wide for the icy skin tracks on offer at 4am in April.

Did it in 6 hours on a much heavier setup a few years back.
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles.


I hear you!

I reckon zero-g would be great light touring ski (for a spring haute route). For PDG I might be tempted to rent / buy / borrow some proper "misery sticks". Though if going full rando man then 1kg boots would be essential. Ski-mo not my area of expertise - bon chance!



I think that would be the way I would go for the PDG. Whenever I’ve been to watch it, conditions have been rock hard so having a decent more rounded touring ski would have been pointless.
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Haggis_Trap wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles.


I hear you!

I reckon zero-g would be great light touring ski (for a spring haute route). For PDG I might be tempted to rent / buy / borrow some proper "misery sticks". Though if going full rando man then 1kg boots would be essential. Ski-mo not my area of expertise - bon chance!


Have my eyes on some Scarpa Alien RS at 920g. Local shop giving them away for 50% off as have one pair left in my size, the model having been replaced by the F1 LT. My training buddies won’t know what hit them Toofy Grin
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BobinCH wrote:
zzz wrote:
I’m on the 170’s. I’m 175cm and 63-65kg. They seemed a bit short when I first bought them but I wouldn’t go any longer now.


Ok i guess I’d be 177 at 180cm and 85kg, maybe even 184 if they are easy skiing? Sound easier to ski than the Zero-G’s which is good and would be happy to return to Volkl skis having had a love-in with Kuro/Shiro range a few years back. I remember very well built and durable skis.

For your racing seems there is a carbon version « Rise High » that is even lighter although not quite 1000g
https://www.sport-conrad.com/en/products/voelkl/rise-high-88.html


I’m only doing the short version so this is enough of a weight saving. Was planning to do it on the DPS Skis but they are a bit wide for the icy skin tracks on offer at 4am in April.

Did it in 6 hours on a much heavier setup a few years back.


They are an easy turning ski. Something to do with the triple side cut Toofy Grin , if you can believe the marketing hype.

Yep, tried the Rise High last season. I think it’s a rebrand of a previous ski and not so great to ski on tbh. I might try and borrow something racier and accept the messy ski down.

I hadn’t realised you’re doing the short one; totally understand where you’re coming from now. The Rise Above’s would be ideal but there’s a lot of competition in that size/weight area.

Cheers
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BobinCH wrote:
Haggis_Trap wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles.


I hear you!

I reckon zero-g would be great light touring ski (for a spring haute route). For PDG I might be tempted to rent / buy / borrow some proper "misery sticks". Though if going full rando man then 1kg boots would be essential. Ski-mo not my area of expertise - bon chance!


Have my eyes on some Scarpa Alien RS at 920g. Local shop giving them away for 50% off as have one pair left in my size, the model having been replaced by the F1 LT. My training buddies won’t know what hit them Toofy Grin


Buy them. Even if you only use them for charging up the piste or training and racing they’ll make a big difference….
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zzz wrote:

Yep, tried the Rise High last season. I think it’s a rebrand of a previous ski and not so great to ski on tbh. I might try and borrow something racier and accept the messy ski down.

I hadn’t realised you’re doing the short one; totally understand where you’re coming from now. The Rise Above’s would be ideal but there’s a lot of competition in that size/weight area.

Cheers


I think those Rise Aboves in a 177 could be ideal. Any other contenders for the short list?
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zzz wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
Haggis_Trap wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles.


I hear you!

I reckon zero-g would be great light touring ski (for a spring haute route). For PDG I might be tempted to rent / buy / borrow some proper "misery sticks". Though if going full rando man then 1kg boots would be essential. Ski-mo not my area of expertise - bon chance!


Have my eyes on some Scarpa Alien RS at 920g. Local shop giving them away for 50% off as have one pair left in my size, the model having been replaced by the F1 LT. My training buddies won’t know what hit them Toofy Grin


Buy them. Even if you only use them for charging up the piste or training and racing they’ll make a big difference….


Yep that’s the thinking. Vowed not to chase the weight weenies but they got a great review on Blister as more than a Lycra companion from a reviewer I trust
https://blisterreview.com/podcasts/reviewer-reports-backcountry-ski-touring-gear-ep-176
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Scott Speedguide 89 in 179cm - if you can find a pair.
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BobinCH wrote:
Haggis_Trap wrote:
BobinCH wrote:
@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles.


I hear you!

I reckon zero-g would be great light touring ski (for a spring haute route). For PDG I might be tempted to rent / buy / borrow some proper "misery sticks". Though if going full rando man then 1kg boots would be essential. Ski-mo not my area of expertise - bon chance!


Have my eyes on some Scarpa Alien RS at 920g. Local shop giving them away for 50% off as have one pair left in my size, the model having been replaced by the F1 LT. My training buddies won’t know what hit them Toofy Grin


a great boot if the fits right !! all reviews say bag any of these u can while they are still about , as the new F1 LT is not as highly rated , cant say how good a sub 1k boot feels when pushing the pace
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......cant say how good a sub 1k boot feels when pushing the pace

Pretty shite I'd imagine Toofy Grin
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Whitedot Ronde 96? There may also be some R.98 carbonlights still available?
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On the rocks wrote:
Whitedot Ronde 96? There may also be some R.98 carbonlights still available?

The WD's are too heavy. The Ronde 96 is a pucka freeride tourer rather than the uber-light-shite-skiing-in-anything-other-than-perfect-snow class as in the 177cm length it's 1630g per ski. And the old R.98CL's sold out a couple years ago - although thinking about it I might still have a 167cm (1425g) at the right price wink
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I don’t think I’d like to ski anything a lot lighter than my R.98s
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I don’t think I’d like to ski anything a lot lighter than my R.98s

Me neither
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On the rocks wrote:
I don’t think I’d like to ski anything a lot lighter than my R.98s

Me neither


Vivian Bruchez is skiing some of the hardest lines in the Alps on 1200g skis and seems to be having fun!
https://instagram.com/vivianbruchez?utm_medium=copy_link
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Which bindings? Like the look for the ATK Kuluars at 250g with brakes and some security features. Assume if I ski DIN’s at 9/10 should get the 12 version with the 12 din u spring given the lateral release is 6-12?

https://mpora.com/skiing/atk-kuluar-12-lt-ski-touring-binding-2021-2022-review/
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@BobinCH, He’s certainly taking advantage of the low swing weight on those jump turns!
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@BobinCH,

They look like a really nice binding. Personally I’d bin the brakes and save 50gms.
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BobinCH wrote:
Vivian Bruchez is skiing some of the hardest lines in the Alps on 1200g skis and seems to be having fun!
https://instagram.com/vivianbruchez?utm_medium=copy_link


But he is just a bit good- it's he man not the machine- I guess he could ski amazing lines on just about anything.

I wonder what Comino etc skied Route Major on in 1979?
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zzz wrote:
@BobinCH,

They look like a really nice binding. Personally I’d bin the brakes and save 50gms.


Probably makes sense!

A couple of strong recommendations for the Backland 100 from the local shops where I got the Alien RS. 1380g for the 180 so getting a bit heavier and wider. Or there’s a 95mm but feels stiffer.
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Dabber wrote:
......cant say how good a sub 1k boot feels when pushing the pace

Pretty shite I'd imagine Toofy Grin


ha ha , on the up that is Toofy Grin
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BobinCH wrote:
zzz wrote:
@BobinCH,

They look like a really nice binding. Personally I’d bin the brakes and save 50gms.


Probably makes sense!

A couple of strong recommendations for the Backland 100 from the local shops where I got the Alien RS. 1380g for the 180 so getting a bit heavier and wider. Or there’s a 95mm but feels stiffer.


Sorry, I thought you were in a race rolling eyes
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I used to ski my Superguide 88 far more than I do now, however simply because there is not too much difference in weight to both versions of the 105 that I have, though that is helped by having the Xenics over the Dynafiddles, they are nigh on redundant.



BobinCH wrote:
@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles. These look like they could double for a long day / mixed snow tour. The DPS Pagoda Tour 112’s I got are fabulous for pow touring so soft snow performance not a priority.


So simple just lose some of that excess lard you're carrying Laughing
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I used to ski my Superguide 88 far more than I do now, however simply because there is not too much difference in weight to both versions of the 105 that I have, though that is helped by having the Xenics over the Dynafiddles, they are nigh on redundant.



BobinCH wrote:
@KenX, @Haggis_Trap, would be for the Patrouille des Glaciers so light is important but don’t want some 800g noodles. These look like they could double for a long day / mixed snow tour. The DPS Pagoda Tour 112’s I got are fabulous for pow touring so soft snow performance not a priority.


So simple just lose some of that excess lard you're carrying Laughing


I think I’ve found a free solution (and can keep the lard Very Happy )

New slippers BSL is 302. Wife’s speed tour 80’s are 293 and looks like there’s 10mm of play on the Crest 10’s. If it fits I have a pair of 170cm 1000g vert smashers mounted 5mm back from centre for some skinny Freeriding Toofy Grin
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@BobinCH, I think I would base ski selection nearer the event based on conditions/forecast, call me "old school" Laughing
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@BobinCH, I think I would base ski selection nearer the event based on conditions/forecast, call me "old school" Laughing


Ancient school non?
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