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-8 colder than usual - is that what it means? Precipitation?
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@buchanan101, yep, 8 degrees colder than average at approx 1500m (850 hpa)

wouldn't worry about precipitation at a particular resort or even region at this range.....the pressure pattern is good (low and stormy), the temps are good, so the snow will be good

GFS 12z Op has flipped from warm outlier (vs. red mean) to cold outlier....but at least it's moving in the right direction, and more in line with other output


Just for fun, and not yet supported by mean charts, here's an example of how things could progress, ECM 12z at day 10, so 5-6th apr....keeps the atlantic ridge pointing north, and arctic air heading south into europe



Wash thermals, wax on, move plants
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Great stuff! Sounds like that bloke in Jaws Very Happy
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Still a long way out but it is all look positive for Easter. Cold air coming in hopefully with some precipitation… whoop, whoop.
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Yeah all signals starting to look good.
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It's been consistent now (on Bergfex at least) for last 3 or 4 days. Be very surprised if it didn't happen now.

e.g. 0.5m over 4 days in Obergurgl

https://www.bergfex.com/obergurgl-hochgurgl/wetter/berg/
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Yes signals are good

NAO goes negative for only the second time this winter, since mid Dec


AO already negative as it's more closely linked to strat warming, so high pressure has been building over arctic / greenland for a few weeks....with vortex displaced to north russia / scandi


Looking at avg of 4-8 degrees below normal over next 10 days


A quick look back at mid march...MunichIrish was right that GFS Op for 1st Apr had no bearing on reality, but at least it picked out the med low


The ensemble charts 10 days out got the pattern right for 31st....see top of previous page, all major features and anomaly strengths were pretty accurate


Looking ahead, 9 days away to 5th apr, some agreement for reload from the north, turning to a more NW direction (after upcoming NE spell).....not clear yet how far east this will hit, need it to back a little west ideally

ECM mean


GEM mean
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Seeing hints of another drop in temps and precipitation spike around 9th April from the GFS runs for the Arlberg. Fingers crossed for some nice Easter refreshes and keeping my longish run of great snow at Easter!
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@kitenski, what are the best possible (realistic) expectations for Arlberg for that week, based on the new data?
Sounds very tempting Laughing
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Seeing hints of another drop in temps and precipitation spike around 9th April from the GFS runs for the Arlberg. Fingers crossed for some nice Easter refreshes and keeping my longish run of great snow at Easter!


Nah - snow this week and at the weekend is enough for me - want a week of sunshine from Sunday please!
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@drporat, not even thinking about it tbh, need this first storm to turn up next week as step 1!
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Driving to Val Thorens arriving 2nd April, snow chains in the boot just in case
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Driving to Val Thorens arriving 2nd April, snow chains in the boot just in case


Driving to Tignes same day....snowchains definitely in the boot. Am a little concerned as I promised the wife that April would be fine!
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We've done Easter trips for about the last 10 years, and every year I make sure the hire car has winter tyres and snow chains. And every year the roads have been totally clear and never needed them. Just looked back at my booking for this year, and of course I haven't specified that for this year. Typical!! We're not off to Val Thorens till the 9th, but it looks like there's still a reasonable chance of it being snowy so better get in contact with the rental firm!!
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Jealous of those going at easter.
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Looking good for around 20-40cm snow widely across the Alps over the end of this week / weekend.

This shows accumulations up to Saturday morning.

Recent Wepowder forecast reckons some areas could get 50cm+

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Starting to get excited and time start watching webcams. Heading out on Saturday.
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Starting to get excited and time start watching webcams. Heading out on Saturday.


Me too. Obergurgl.

But only watching webcams now? I'm on there at the start of the season seeing when they start up the cannons
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Starting to get excited and time start watching webcams. Heading out on Saturday.


Me too. Obergurgl.

But only watching webcams now? I'm on there at the start of the season seeing when they start up the cannons


Yeah I have been caught out, it was a total lie. I check them multiple times a day already NehNeh
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Starting to get excited and time start watching webcams. Heading out on Saturday.


Me too. Obergurgl.

But only watching webcams now? I'm on there at the start of the season seeing when they start up the cannons


Yeah I have been caught out, it was a total lie. I check them multiple times a day already NehNeh


Me too - every morning and evening.
Off to La Thuile on Sunday......... hopefully, this will land really well for us
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Looks like large parts of Europe can expect snow during the next week - some impressive totals for parts of France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Germany and Poland. Even large parts of Central-Southern England could see snow on the ground Thursday morning. Certainty a chilly start to April across the continent!

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^ looks similar on this mornings 00z

anomalies and ensembles are saying the 5-6th NW blast might be the last of it for now, replaced with milder SW flow....hard to say if it will be wet/dry, but almost a week of snow to come first
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Webcams showing loads of snow in La Thuile this morning...............higher up anyway - sleet/rain in the village
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With the last week of the season booked in for Saas-Fee, viewing of the webcams this morning makes for very pleasant viewing after weeks of warm drought! Very Happy
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Are there any weather / snow forecast sites that people find more / less reliable than others? I'm convinced some of them add on a few CM snow to keep you feeling positive!

I like looking here - https://www.skipass.com/meteo/samons.html - because it seems quite optimistic, but I'm aware that other forecasts may be more conservative!
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I like Bergfex - seems to be reasonable. But there will be folk on here though who know which use which engines, and which runs from which engines...
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https://www.bergfex.com/samoens/wetter/berg/

how does that compare?
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@albertosaurus, think we're all guilty at looking at the optimistic sites at times Laughing

For me, I have a mix of weather sites that use GFS and ECM, so I'm getting a balanced view of the models - and if they agree then I tend to get excited.

And I ignore any snow amount figures - i just use the sites to try to understand if it's going to snow or not, not how much.
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hmm similar - maybe it will actually snow this week !
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hmm similar - maybe it will actually snow this week !


Laughing I think it already is!
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is it worth paying for the 14 day forecast on wepowder? Do they have any data that's not available freely elsewhere?
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@albertosaurus, not worth paying for 14 day forecast anywhere, too far out to be meaningful
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I think it already is!

Including the North Pennines Very Happy

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Seems to me to be near perfect conditions next week? Good snow over weekend, very cold thereafter and sun peaking out from Sunday and Monday? Followed by probably more snow and more cold and sun?

Thinking of a quick jaunt to Engelberg, anyone any thoughts? Does it get busy on a snowy weekend?
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@albertosaurus, this is a 14 day winter forecast for the alps. You can get the whole range of forecasts on WXcharts, basically the same data as Wepowder, Snow Forecast and the various forecast sites use. You can choose a home location for meteograms / ensembles , in this case St Anton.
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Snowing down to 1400m so far in the NW, expected to drop well below 1000m tomorrow.

Jet stream will switch direction early next week.....with low's drifting east due to high pressure nudging into france, but swiss/austria should do well next week too (as potentially colder)

NE flow on sun 3rd on northern arm of jet. Southern arm still running strong.


NW flow by tues 5th


Still some uncertainty over 6-8th, freeze line hopefuly not much more than 1600m in the west by then, lower to the east


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Still some uncertainty over 6-8th, freeze line hopefuly not much more than 1600m in the west by then, lower to the east


This would be spot on for Easter weekend Smile
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@kitenski, it's got potential, certainly across the northern alps

GFS 06z just out shows a brief northerly as it crosses.....too far for one run to be accurate, and I probably trust GFS 06z and 18z less than 00z and 12z



I think we are seeing the effects of having the remnants of the polar vortex parked over scandi.....which is so much better than if it came down on the greenland side
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