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Found a fantastic last minute deal at A-ROSA in Zurs for 4 nights... contemplating the switch.
How is the skiing around Zurs for an intermediate versus the rest of the Arlberg?
I tend to prefer cruisey blues.
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@Astontech, Not been since the week of snow so cant comment on current conditions. However my view is that the best piste skiing is to be found in Zürs. The runs under the Zürsersee and Seekopf chairs are usually really nice first thing perfect for showing off carving turns, Täli from the top of the Muggengrat chair is a wonderful run (though there is a very short steep pitch at the start), assuming decent snow (which there really should be now) the Madloch run down to Zug is worth doing before it gets turned into yet another piste with snow making and it opens up the runs above Lech - though you can get a ski bus, every 10 minutes, to Lech as well, the runs back from the top of the Rüfikopf cable car are nice too. Easy to get to St Anton via the Flexenbahn (buses run back until around 19:00 if you want to stop for a beer or three). Biggest downside to Zürs is that there is really very little there outside of the hotels.
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Is anyone able to recommend a ski hire place that has a good selection of wider skis in St Anton? Ideally near the base or train station.
Many thanks
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| Matrix wrote: |
Is anyone able to recommend a ski hire place that has a good selection of wider skis in St Anton? Ideally near the base or train station.
Many thanks |
Jennewein which is between Galzig cable car and Gampen chairlift has plenty of wide skis for rent.
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@Matrix, +1 for Jennewein, go to the place directly opposite the Galzig gondola station. Its about a 5 minute walk from the station (you can see the main shop from the train station but the hire spot at Galzig better). All the staff speak English, indeed many are Australian. They also have a place at Galzig so you can swap them there if they dont suit. You can book a specific ski online but if you do make sure you send a email to confirm.
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@munich_irish, @JohnS4,
Thank you for the quick response!
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| Matrix wrote: |
Is anyone able to recommend a ski hire place that has a good selection of wider skis in St Anton? Ideally near the base or train station.
Many thanks |
SkiWest on Alte Arlberg Strasse, just up from the roundabout. Not the biggest, but excellent on service. Many years of experience.
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@melandnick, I couldnt make sense of his post either but then whats new?
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I assume he meant that.
The rumour on the day was they were all ski instructors (from the blue ski school) and without safety equipment.
I am back in Wales so haven't heard anything regarding the fourth person yet.
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@badatbetting, How's the knee?
The media reports at the time (likely to be accurate) were 2 fatalities and two seriously injured (both now known to have died in hospital) and one with minor injuries. That they were a group of instructors makes sense, nothing I have seen suggests a cause of the slide, given the conditions at the time ( the avi warnings particularly applied to north facing slopes) and size seems highly possible it was a spontaneous slide. If that was the case they were pretty unlucky, though there were plenty of warnings not to ski off piste.
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You know it makes sense.
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@Legendarry, That was a big slide, the debris cone almost made it to the piste at the bottom despite starting not far below the summit. Scary that so much snow can be released by (presumably) a single skier.
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| munich_irish wrote: |
| @melandnick, I couldnt make sense of his post either but then whats new? |
Please stop with the Bitchy comments..How old are you 16yrs??
My info is correct ..
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Back from the Indo Beaches.. and its Summer here in Stanzertal . 
Weather
Going to be Sunny all week with a Freeze Level at 3000M
We have to wait
Could be an end of Season Epic Easter of POW
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@stanton, As so often your info was not completely correct, who cares when it is nonsense about apres bars or whatever but this was more serious. Official information for example the avalanche report linked above say there were two fatalities, two serious injuries (who both died later in hospital) and one person who avoided any serious injury. This is the same as the ORF report which suggests the person who only had minor injuries was Irish but maybe they were Dutch but easy to see how in the circumstances how this sort of information can get confused. The report also confirms that the slide was caused by one of the group.
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Skied St Anton this morning. Sunny but not too busy. Pleasant conditions early on, slushy after 11.30. Early on, did the Matthun a couple of times which was not too thin & gave some good technical skiing. The Schindler seemed to have been pisted & was straightforward. The Schindler Hang below was in very poor condition with as much grass//rock as snow. Packed it in at 12.15. Fwiw the snow in Montafon yesterday was holding up better. I may well be back in the Arlberg tomorrow: if so I‘ll provide an update.
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| stanton wrote: |
| munich_irish wrote: |
| @stanton, As so often your info was not completely correct,. |
Idiot you are very offensive ..
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@stanton, YOU are very offensive. Shame on you!
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[quote="munich_irish"]@badatbetting, How's the knee?
It's a bit of a pain still, I can't really apply strong forward pressure without a decent amount of pain. Physio is helping but I may need the surgery sadly to allow me to ski to a level I'm happy with. Sadly seems I'm not a 'coper' like many others. I'm basically just doing super easy runs and abusing apres as hard as ever!
Just got back to st Anton after my trip to Wales for mum's bday, looks like the hill has gotten a lot muddier since when I left on Thursday, depressing what some higher temperatures can do!
The Austrian embassy still seems baffled by my visa D lol, they seem to be adamant I can work with it, which is completely incorrect (although I'm happy to work if I can!)
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Skied in Lech this morning. There were long queues for the Trittlopfbahn, otherwise the lifts were reasonably quiet. The lower pistes were sülzig by midday, but the higher ones were holding up. The highpoint was the Langer Zug which was well pisted & straightforward enough. The low point was survival turns on a mixture of crud & old chop on Route 242. Route 203 was heavily moguled but the snow was forgiving. Am instructing the next couple of mornings, then mountain walking bzw skiing in Montafon. Will probably return to the Arlberg some time next week: if so, will update on conditions.
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| Bergsteiger278 wrote: |
| Skied in Lech this morning. There were long queues for the Trittlopfbahn, otherwise the lifts were reasonably quiet. The lower pistes were sülzig by midday, but the higher ones were holding up. The highpoint was the Langer Zug which was well pisted & straightforward enough. The low point was survival turns on a mixture of crud & old chop on Route 242. Route 203 was heavily moguled but the snow was forgiving. Am instructing the next couple of mornings, then mountain walking bzw skiing in Montafon. Will probably return to the Arlberg some time next week: if so, will update on conditions. |
On our third day here in the Alberg, based in Zurs. Would concur with above, but went to Warth today, and it was noticeably much better in terms of the pistes holding up - even skiing down to the base lifts, the less southerly aspect really meant there was less churn up, and the blacks e.g. 251, were in very good shape. It was quite a stark contrast coming back over to lech and experiencing the bumps on 200 and 201 on the way home - an order of magnitude worse.
A question - thinking tomorrow of at least the morning heading toward St Anton - my wife is not a massive fan of icey reds, so how will the runs on that side fare if we make an early start? And how far would you suggest we bother going before heading back ? (I’ve only done the route going the other way from St Anton about 10 years ago, and it’s all a bit hazy).
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@Pejoli, Not been there since spring arrived so this might be a wrong steer but ordinarily the snow is fine until the Zammermoos chair, the run from there to St Anton is usually best avoided unless you want to visit the KK or Moose (though no worse than the the Lech home runs). I think better to head up to Gampen via the Mattun chair (watch out for your calves!) and head towards Nasserein and cut across if you want to get to the centre of the village. The lower part of the run down to Rauz can get pretty messy in the afternoons for heading back
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I agree with @munich_irish - I always take that way down in Spring conditions, indeed I did so two days ago.
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Morning guys- just wondering whether to confirm a few days of beginners off piste instruction in the Arlberg with my wife. How are conditions at the moment? Are people finding some nice spring conditions? Or should we stick to the piste this trip?
Many thanks for any 'on the ground' condition updates!
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See my reports above - the Ski Routes (equivalent to simple off piste for assessing the conditions) were mostly OK both in Lech & St A on Tuesday & Wednesday until ca Midday. If you go for off piste instruction, start as early as possible! And don‘t expect champagne powder..
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And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports.
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@Francis.S, been here since Saturday and it’s been roasting!! Pistes have largely held up well considering. North facing slopes keeping their shape quite well but southern facing are very slushy and mogully by the end of the day. Had an absolute blast in the sun though and good fun skiing variable conditions so it’s been great.
Honestly I don’t think the off piste is very enjoyable right now. I considered getting a guide for a day but just don’t think it would be money well spent due to the conditions. It’s either rock hard or lower down/south side slushy, which is more enjoyable and actually skiable.
That said there have been plenty of people out and about with touring gear so probably some good spots and it’s good weather for it. Just not sure it would be the nicest intro to off piste.
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You know it makes sense.
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Skied in Lech today. Gave up at 13.00 due to slush on most of the slopes. However, the Langer Zug remained in good condition & gave some good skiing on my way back to the car park at Schlosskopfbahn.
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Considering jumping on a train to St Anton this coming Saturday in search of moguls.
Can anyone give me a low down on any big natural bump fields? Do they exist there? We certainly have none in Zillertal.
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Poster: A snowHead
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2025/2026 Season
42 Left until the Lifts stop Spinning.
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Weather
The current weather situation will continue to change little.
No new snow the Forecast
Monday,
Some denser clouds with some a little cooler in the mountains, Spring in the Valley.
Tuesday Wednesday,Thursday
The Same genrally the same
Friday
Should be warm one !!
The Cows are getting restless and want to get out onto the Hill..
Cows,Sheep,Goats are already out down Valley ..
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Wild West continues
Last Thursday
Two Brits aged 23 and 31 got into a verbal altercation in a restaurant on Thursday evening at around 7:15 p.m.
In the course of the altercation, the 23-year-old grabbed a beer glass and hit his opponent in the face. The 31-year-old suffered severe cuts on the left side of his face.
Restaurant security intervened immediately and held the attacker until the police arrived. The officers then arrested the 23-year-old on the spot.
First aid was given and the injured man was first taken to the hospital in Zams and then transferred to the clinic in Innsbruck for further treatment.
During interrogation, the suspect confessed, according to the police. Investigations into the background of the dispute are underway.
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@swskier, Your best bet are the two Mattun ski routes. Except immediately after snowfall the whole Mattun bowl turns into a very large mogul field. One side is accessible by turning left at the top of the Kapall chair, you then traverse for a good bit before turning left into the bowl. From the other side take the Schindler gondola stay on until the top station (you can get on either side but the cabins from the "family" side dont stop at the mid station) when you get off dont follow the piste or head down Schindler Kar but turn left (there are marker poles), there is a short flat section before it heads into a narrowish valley, usually heavily moguled, and then into the main bowl where it joins up with the other route. There are marker poles but in fact you can just pick the route to suit. The first section of Schindler accessed from the mid station of the gondola always has lots of moguls, turn right off the piste at the end of the fence, the "route" traverses alongs a moguled path before turning left down what is usually an easy mogul field but if you turn left before this there is a steeper off piste section. The run itself is usually groomed but sometimes they let the moguls grow to quite impressive sizes and at the side there will be bumps a plenty. There is a report above suggesting the Steilhang variant is not worth skiing as rocky and bare. The Osthang ski route under the Galzig lift is well known for moguls and not that long (also clearly visible from the bar at the Moose, was happy looking back up whilst drinking a beer, not sure my knees would cope these days). Piste wise moguls can usually be found by lunchtime on the short black from Galzig towards Schindler and on the final pitch of the Kandahar / Galzig black.
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@munich_irish, thank you for the very detailed response! Looking at Openskimap, it seems like the Mattun routes you're referring to are numbers 40 and 90? The Osthang under the Galzig is 51?
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@swskier, I assume so, openskimap is the best reference (the official map is more a visual reference than accurate), I always go with names / descriptions rather than numbers.
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@munich_irish, 40 is Mattun, 90 is Mattunjoch and 51 is Osthang, so sounds like that's the same as you're describing.
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I did both Mattun variants 40 & 90 on Tuesday morning last week (ie 3 March) & would add from the junction downwards, the remainder of the route was already getting rocky. Can‘t imagine it will have improved since then. As i commented at the time, the Schindler Steilhang variant was also already very bare and rocky. The main (easier) Schindler route itself, however, was still in good condition on my last run down at ca 11.30 - tho’ seemingly pisted. The Osthang was also Ok, tho’ I did it first (ca 9.00) so no doubt it would have deteriorated later in the day.
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Fwiw, last week after doing the Schindler several times until 11.30 I went down Happy Valley before forking down to the Mattun lift which took me up to Gampen (where I had stashed a rucksack with full off piste gear in case it was needed - it wasn‘t). Having retrieved the rucksack I then rode the lift up to Kapall before skiing the Fang black and then cutting down to Galzig. In spring conditions this avoids most of the slush in the home run near the Moosewirt + most of the idiot skiers. Iirc @munich_irish also recommends returning this way so that is at least two of us on this thread!
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Hello, thanks to everyone who replied to me a while ago on my question regarding later March ski conditions. We have booked our week-long trip and have decided to stay in Oberlech (Hotel Mohnenfluh) and are very much looking forward to our trip from 3/21-3/28. Having never been to the Arlberg before, I am starting some pre-trip planning to learn the area, lifts, main runs etc. We are two strong intermediate/advanced skiers who plan to ski on-piste only and would like to explore as much of the Arlberg as possible. I asked Chat GPT to suggest a 5-day plan and it gave me a very nice detailed recommendation. I don't want to post all of it here as it is too long but wanted to get the Snowhead GPT advice on whether this general plan makes sense:
Day Area
1 Oberlech / Lech warm-up
2 White Ring circuit
3 Warth & Schröcken
4 St Anton + apres
5 Zürs deep exploration
We'll start early given the conditions but don't mind spring snow. Apres in St Anton is definitely on our list and we would look to take the bus back. Does the above day plan make sense? Any modifications or considerations on changing the plan given certain weather ie: lower visibility or very warm? Vielen Dank!
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My advice - it is too early to make detailed plans, rather wait and see if the Arlberg gets a cold snap. If not, simply stay as high up as possible every day. (ie Warth near the Karhorn, Zuger Hochlicht & Rüfikopf in Lech, Schindler in St A). If it continues so warm, forget everything under 2000m after 11.00. YMMV.
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@Bergsteiger278, would you think i'll be ok skiing the itineraries on this Saturday coming? I'm basically looking for mogul fields like you'd find in Verbier, as i'm off there the following week for an exam and I have barely skied moguls all winter as there are none here in Zillertal.
If there's somewhere else in Tyrol you think would work, i'll basically travel anywhere!
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