 Poster: A snowHead
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In the past on here there have been various pros and cons re glueless skins.
I do have glueless skins for my Scott 95's and have never had a problem, but there again that's probably because I only really use these in Spring touring conditions.
I have seen people encounter issues with glueless skins when temps are cold, minus 10 and more, when skinning deep powder and it really has been an issue for them.
Proponents of glueless skins may well have never been in cold temps which might cause issues and hence will not acknowledge there's an issue.
So as further testament to the fact that there is an issue I was just going through the ski touring checklist of gear to take to Siberia
http://skiinginsiberia.com/skitouring/luzhba/ and the gear tab
And look what they say about glueless skins !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clothing:
Heavy/mid weight socks compatible with your footwear - 2-3 pairs.
Base Layer Top and Bottom, warm – 2 pieces each.
Mid-Insulation Layer Top - Polartec 100 or analog.
Mid-Insulation Layer Bottom – Polartec/Powerstretch pants or analog.
Warm jacket – Synthetic or down.
Weather Layer Top - Gore-Tex/Softshell or other waterproof breathable jacket.
Weather Layer Pants - Gore-Tex/Softshell or other waterproof breathable pants.
Down jacket warm to minus 25-30°C.
Hats (warm and light).
Light gloves
Insulated gloves
Insulated mittens
High snow boots
Slippers for the lodge
Ski gear:
Skis or Splitboard. We recommend skis 110mm underfoot or wider.
Skins. Glue should be in good condition, renew if necessary. Tail clips strongly recommended. No glueless skins, please, it does't work with low temperatures!
Touring Boots
Telescopic Poles
Ski helmet
Binding/Boot/Pole/Skin Repair Kit - tools and parts to fix your personal gear
Avalanche gear:
Transceiver (two antenna minimum), extra batteries.
Probe
Shovel
Personal equipment:
Backpack, 25-30 litres.
Personal First Aid kit (blister kit, your personal medications)
Thermos or insulated flask, 1L. Good idea to have both.
Sunglasses (CE rated 3 or 4)
Ski goggles, plus extra pair.
Headlamp, extra batteries.
Sun/Cold and Lip Cream (factor 30+).
Personal toiletries, towel.
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Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person
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yep, given the fact thats it really is quiet remote, important to get it right I think.
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Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see?
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it's actually the reverse. glue will go hard at low temps whereas glueless skins work via suction. As this is advice for punters they'll probably spray your skins with glue in the hut and put gaffer tape on the tails as a preventative measure. guides don't want to be faffing with a bunch of billies with bad kit in the backcountry.
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Not sure what your point is weathercam? but i agree with you on the glueless temperature limitations
I have a little crush on my whizz's...for European yomps but not tooo wet.
I have had complete failure with them in Canada and only gaffer saved me from having a very short walk up Rogers pass with the Canadians smirking at the euros on a day out....still it's very unusual for my skins to get unstuck before myself, horses for courses I guess.
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Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do.
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I've heard from various sources that Colltex Whizzz skins don't work well below minus 10 Deg C. Not sure this is the case for all non-traditional skins though.
There appears to be three main types of climbing skin adhesion
1. Traditional glue - normal glue where in a strong wind you can give yourself a brazilian head wax.
2. Hybrid Glue or Non-glue (e.g. Contour Hybrid, Colltex Whizzz)
3. Glueless (e.g. Gecko, Colltex Combin)
I've been running Contour Hybrid on my wider set of touring skis and have had no problems so far but have not tested them extensively in Sub -10 conditions. Contours advertising blurb states that they are specifically designed to also cope with extremely cold temps, time will tell. The outdoor shop did say to make sure the skin contact surface was dry especially when putting the skins on numerous times during the same ski tour.
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| The outdoor shop did say to make sure the skin contact surface was dry especially when putting the skins on numerous times during the same ski tour. |
I think this is the key point, when it's blowing a hooley, skins flapping round, cold hands etc, it's nigh on impossible to keep the skins dry, whereas a traditional glued skin will still work........
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@DB, I've found Contour Hybrid to great. (To be clear, I have Black Crows Pellis, which is Contour Hybrid with BC branding). They've had at least 70 days use over the past 3 seasons, including several days with multiple laps (so putting potentially wet skins on wet/ cold bases), and some very cold days around -15 (and colder at the summit). I've yet to find conditions when the glue is problematic (touch wood!). They're far more reliable IME than Black Diamond glue. And the wash-to-refresh approach is great.
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